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Re:Massive glacier collapse by will_brown on Monday February 04, 2013 @04:43PM (#5167350)
In terms of its contribution to global warming Methane is 26 times more destructive than CO2. Believe it or not on a daily basis an average Cow emits the same amount of green house pollutants that contribute to Global Warming as an average car. US Food and Agricultural Organization expects methane emissions to increase 60% by 2030.

I understand the logic but I find it counter-intuitive that pollutants emitted from Cows (burps and farts), are contributed to human behavior. Specifically, Agriculture accounts for 14% of Green House Gas, and a majority of it is from Methane emission. Similar to our trying to reduce CO2 emissions from cars, humans are trying to reduce Methane emissions from Cows including genetic modifications and harvesting the Methane to power the farms.

So I personally think the idea of measuring "human contribution" is complex, especially when Cow farts and burbs are contributed to human activity. That said whether or not there is consensus that Human activity is responsible for global warming it does not matter, there is certainly consensus that Human's are the only ones who have a chance at addressing global warming, unless unknown to us the Cows are currently convening in secrete meetings to discuss how they might better regulate their own emissions of Methane and Ammonia because their contribution to global warming is weighing so heavy on their conscience.

Re:Massive glacier collapse by mncolinlee on Monday February 04, 2013 @06:01PM (#5167825)
Most cow flatulence is the result of human activity. Before cows were domesticated, there was almost no chance cows would ever reach these ridiculous herd sizes in nature (barring natural selection for KILLER COWS).

Also, they did not eat corn or soy-based diets much in nature, which both cause increased methane emissions. Alfalfa and flaxseed are proven to reduce emissions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/05/us/05cows.html?pagewanted=...

Re:Massive glacier collapse by khuey on Monday February 04, 2013 @05:14PM (#5167543)
The vast majority of cows exist only to feed humans. Saying that pollutants emitted from cows shouldn't be attributed to human behavior is like saying that pollutants emitted from cars shouldn't be attributed to human behavior: complete nonsense.
Re:Massive glacier collapse by diminoten on Monday February 04, 2013 @05:43PM (#5167717)
It's not complete nonsense, as cows aren't human, and cows produce methane, therefore cows are nonhuman sources of methane.

I agree with you that cow methane is our doing ultimately, but to say it's 'complete nonsense' is dishonest.

Re:Massive glacier collapse by sophacles on Monday February 04, 2013 @06:53PM (#5168092)
To give credence to the notion that "cow methane is not humans' fault" is also utterly disingenuous. "ultimately our doing" also suggests there is a long and arduous causality chain which equally absurd. Humans raise cows on diets cows would not choose for themselves (and resulting in more cow methane) and in numbers that the cows would not be able to maintain on their own. Cow methane is our fault in the exact same way that burning stuff and releasing CO2 is our fault. Seriously are you going to say burning coal is not a human source of methane, or at least sit around and say "be nice to the idiot arguing it?"

Sorry, your whole point is more intellectually dishonest than you accuse the "complete nonsense" phrase of being.

Re:Massive glacier collapse by diminoten on Tuesday February 05, 2013 @09:31AM (#5170771)
What do you think my point is? I feel you're misrepresenting me.
Re:Massive glacier collapse by grannyg00se on Monday February 04, 2013 @06:05PM (#5167857)
A coal plant isn't human, and coal plants produce CO2, therefore coal plants are nonhuman sources of CO2.
Re:Massive glacier collapse by will_brown on Monday February 04, 2013 @06:38PM (#5168020)
But for humans coal plants and their emissions would not exist. But for Humans cars and their emissions would not exist. But for Humans a population of 60 million American wild Buffalo might still exist.

I did not post to be controversial, I was not suggesting humans are not responsible for Global Warming, however, the contribution of humans to global warming is not always black and white. Cars and coal plants? Yes, black and white humans are responsible. Cows? Yes and No, sure you can count the 1.5 billion domesticated cattle as human behavior, but on the other hand 20% of all cattle are found in India where they are not domesticated or raised to be eaten. However, I suppose it is a matter of time before someone makes an analogous argument to the agricultural argument, if you can argue Humans raise cows to be feed on therefore their pollution is attributed to humans, then you can argue that if Humans raise cows to be worshiped their emissions are still attributable to humans....Screw it....whether you drive a car, operate a coal factory, spray an areosol can, eat a steak or passively worship cows you are 100% responsible for global warming.