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Re:Aleksey Vayner Has Died at 29 by _djo_ on Thursday January 24, 2013 @09:16PM (#5113555)
I met Aleksey at Yale a few months after the video had gone viral and found him to be a nice enough guy who was intelligent and interesting to talk to, though it was clear that he had serious emotional issues as even then after all the ridicule he felt compelled to boast of unlikely achievements almost as a reflex. He was not the arsehole the internet had prepared me for but a decent and troubled person and I felt desperately sorry for him.

The communities and networks we have built online have proven to be fantastically capable to creating and organising for good, whether it be raising funds for disaster relief or catapulting some deserving person to stardom, but we've all too often decided to ignore our power to tear down and destroy with frightening speed. Aleksey Vayner's video may have been silly and weird but it did not merit the public humiliation he received.

It would be too much to expect that large scale ridicule of an individual like this will never happen again, human nature is what it is and cruelty and anonymity go hand in hand. But as individuals we can at least prevent ourselves from being a part of it by pausing before we forward, retweet or share the next picture, video or meme and considering whether the person being laughed at deserves to be destroyed for our amusement.

Re:Aleksey Vayner Has Died at 29 by haberman on Thursday January 24, 2013 @09:42PM (#5113637)
I think it's interesting to compare this to Rebecca Black. "Friday" became viral mostly as a mockery, but she seemed to take it all in stride and make the most of it. I was actually really impressed with that. In her case, the shares/retweets/etc. weren't hurtful to her in the end.
Re:Aleksey Vayner Has Died at 29 by InclinedPlane on Thursday January 24, 2013 @10:42PM (#5113821)
I always thought Friday was a fantastic deconstruction of the genre, whether intentional or not. The banality of the lyrics are in truth not significantly worse than the lyrics of the average pop song. How many song lyrics boil down to the same lame refrain "we went to a club, got so drunk, danced so much, and had so much fun, yeah, partying! whoo!"? Most, but not all, songs of that genre dress up their banality in slightly more interesting turns of phrase but ultimately it's the same thing. Compare "Friday" to "Like a G6", for example.
Re:Aleksey Vayner Has Died at 29 by rooshdi on Friday January 25, 2013 @12:05AM (#5114064)
Yea, it's the same shit, just wrapped with the money of major label marketing. Funny thing is, some of these "artists" actually take their music seriously.
Re:Aleksey Vayner Has Died at 29 by transitionality on Friday January 25, 2013 @03:51AM (#5114621)
I've been hearing about the video, but I'd never seen it.

I just looked it up.

It's not bad at all. It's entirely pedestrian. I don't see any difference between this and, say, a Bieber track, except production values.

Re:Aleksey Vayner Has Died at 29 by abossy on Thursday January 24, 2013 @09:46PM (#5113660)
The girl from the creepy ex-girlfriend meme actively capitalized on her stardom. It seems that the sociological phenomenon of involuntarily going viral is becoming more well-understood.
Re:Aleksey Vayner Has Died at 29 by charlieok on Thursday January 24, 2013 @11:20PM (#5113932)
If you mean Overly Attached Girlfriend [1], she framed the joke intentionally, in terms of its visual look and its connotations, in exactly the form that took hold as a meme.

Contrast this with memes where a picture caught the eye of a photoshopper who then decided what joke to write on top.

It was her own sense of humor from the start. Good on her :)

[1] http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/overly-attached-girlfriend

Re:Aleksey Vayner Has Died at 29 by charlieok on Friday January 25, 2013 @04:49AM (#5114755)
Re:Aleksey Vayner Has Died at 29 by haberman on Thursday January 24, 2013 @10:07PM (#5113722)
Yes totally. Though didn't that girl intentionally create the creepy ex-girlfriend persona? It's a little bit different than Rebecca Black who created something in earnest but then made the best of having it taken as a mockery.
Re:Aleksey Vayner Has Died at 29 by newman314 on Thursday January 24, 2013 @10:13PM (#5113741)
I disagree.

It's hard to predict the path a particular meme will take once it has gone viral. Compare say "creepy girlfriend" to "scumbag Steve".

If you can predict with good to absolute confidence where a particular meme would go, then you have something extremely valuable that any marketing dept would go for.

Remember, most of these things happened unexpectedly to the people involved. I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone that a) knew in advance what would happen and b) wanted it to do so deliberately.

Making the best of a bad situation is not understanding this sociological phenomenon.

Re:Aleksey Vayner Has Died at 29 by Alex3917 on Thursday January 24, 2013 @09:38PM (#5113621)
My friend who went to Yale had a pretty bad back injury, and I heard that Aleksey actually fixed it. No idea if that's accurate, but it kind of adds a little character to the whole mythology of the guy.
Re:Aleksey Vayner Has Died at 29 by chimeracoder on Thursday January 24, 2013 @10:29PM (#5113787)
I agree with your entire post except for this one clause

> cruelty and anonymity go hand in hand

Anonymity and cruelty are orthogonal concepts - there is nothing about anonymity that implies or requires cruelty, and the connection runs the other way just as often, but as human beings, we find it easier to focus on and remember the negative more so than the positive.

Re:Aleksey Vayner Has Died at 29 by cantankerous on Thursday January 24, 2013 @10:33PM (#5113798)
Unrelated concepts, maybe, but by definition they are not orthogonal in the real world, unfortunately. Statistically, I'd be willing to wager people act worse when they think nobody is looking. Anonymity just extends this effect elsewhere.

People are much less likely to be cruel when people they appreciate could be made aware of it.

Re:Aleksey Vayner Has Died at 29 by mpyne on Thursday January 24, 2013 @10:58PM (#5113857)
Relevant: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19

This has actually been studied academically (the "online disinhibition effect"). Anonymity definitely seems to correlate with poor behavior, even if it's not a causal relationship.

Re:Aleksey Vayner Has Died at 29 by hayksaakian on Friday January 25, 2013 @04:46AM (#5114745)
Counterpoint: forced real names did not improve quality of comments.

http://techcrunch.com/2012/07/29/surprisingly-good-evidence-...

Re:Aleksey Vayner Has Died at 29 by mpyne on Friday January 25, 2013 @11:34AM (#5116227)
Good point, but I'm not sure that forced real name is really the same as "not anonymous" (despite Randi Zuckerberg's comments on the article). I.e. there's more you get from online anonymity than simply not having your name known.

I could know someone is named John Smith for example, and that still wouldn't help me pierce his anonymity unless there were other distinguishing features (picture, phone number, etc.).

Re:Aleksey Vayner Has Died at 29 by Ygg2 on Friday January 25, 2013 @09:26AM (#5115511)
No, it doesn't. I remember an anecdote of a bagel delivery man that calculated the percent of people (donations to the bagel plate were anonymous) that screwed him up was only 15%.

So majority people are actually nice even when anonymous. And penny arcade is a comic site, not a dispenser of truth.

Re:Aleksey Vayner Has Died at 29 by qohen on Friday January 25, 2013 @01:36PM (#5116913)
I remember an anecdote of a bagel delivery man that calculated

I expect it was about Paul Feldman -- it was a very interesting story -- the guy was an MIT-trained economist who, in frustration at getting nowhere at a certain point in his career, gave it up to deliver bagels, etc. to companies every day and he collected data on people's behavior when it came to leaving payments.

The following NY Times Magazine article is by the Freakonomics duo about him (the story made it into the Freakonomics book):

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/06/magazine/what-the-bagel-ma...

PDF of the same article from one of the authors (i.e. a non-nytimes.com link):

http://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/WhatTheBagelMa...

Re:Aleksey Vayner Has Died at 29 by mpyne on Friday January 25, 2013 @11:27AM (#5116172)
I should have mentioned in my comment what the comic did: It is anonymity + audience which is correlated, not anonymity alone.

Although your anecdote is just as anecdoty as the comic author's anecdote...

Re:Aleksey Vayner Has Died at 29 by pretoriusB on Friday January 25, 2013 @06:30AM (#5114966)
>Anonymity and cruelty are orthogonal concepts - there is nothing about anonymity that implies or requires cruelty

You'd be surprised. Do you have anything to validate that statement?

Because the empirical observations of anybody on this internet thing (forums, comment threads, etc) suggest otherwise.

Perhaps you start from a logical premise ("I don't see any connection between cruelty and anonymity") but forgot to take into account human psychology factors (e.g "Hmm, I can harass that guy a little harder, it's not as if he knows who I am and can get back at me").

Re:Aleksey Vayner Has Died at 29 by ahoyhere on Friday January 25, 2013 @03:01PM (#5117322)
"Anonymity and cruelty are orthogonal concepts - there is nothing about anonymity that implies or requires cruelty"

Yeah, there's only scads of research that shows that anonymity leads to bad behavior and that being reminded of yourself (mirror) and other people (photographs) watching you -- even non-human robot faces watching you! --causes people to improve for the better.

Mirrors and pictures of faces cause people to behave better -- to steal fewer "honor system" vegetables, bagels, flowers, to donate more to charity jars, to stick more closely to their diet plans, etc.

In the 60s, an anonymous student wore a black bag to class at Oregon State for a long time… the essay reporting on its effects that I read that 'The Black Bag' suffered a lot of bizarre and anti-social behavior from fellow students, so bad behavior related to anonymity cuts both ways.

You may think that the "concepts" are orthagonal, but let's be honest, aren't you just working a priori here without any evidence?