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Re:Unlocking Cellphones Becomes Illegal Saturday in the U.S. by Terretta on Thursday January 24, 2013 @04:00PM (#5112181)
> You could certainly achieve the same result by buying a second phone just for traveling. But you already have a phone. In the rest of the world (and in the US until tomorrow), that's all the phones you need.

If you got your phone subsidized, then no, you don't have a phone. You don't get to unlock this not-paid-for phone the same way you don't get to change out the drive train on a leased car. At the end of the lease, after the dollar buyout, go wild. After your contract is over, unlock away. It's yours, do as you wish.

I believe the carrier owns the phone until you've satisfied your subsidy contract.

Similarly, I believe an unsubsidized phone should come unlocked.

Re:Unlocking Cellphones Becomes Illegal Saturday in the U.S. by anonymous on Thursday January 24, 2013 @05:27PM (#5112688)
Not quite. You have bought your phone effectively with a loan. It's not rented, it's bought with a loan and you're paying that loan back in monthly fees. You can't give the phone back and receive the part of the loan you paid, so it must be your phone. Leasing is just a special kind of loaning money, where you're loaned money for the sole purpose of purchasing a given product by the same merchant that sells you that product. If the telecom expects that you will use the phone only on their network, they can trivially add a "minimum monthly charge" so they'll cover the cost of the phone regardless. In fact, I believe all of them already do it.

As a country with an economy built around loans (i.e. credit cards and so on), making things bought on credit not really yours seems insane.

Re:Unlocking Cellphones Becomes Illegal Saturday in the U.S. by __david__ on Thursday January 24, 2013 @04:26PM (#5112336)
No, the carrier does not "own your phone"--they're taking a risk that you'll abide by the contract.

Even if you get out of your contract early, you have to pay a termination fee, which is effectively the remaining part of your carrier subsidy. AT&T is going to get their money one way or another.

Also, going to Europe for 2 weeks doesn't mean you stopped paying your AT&T bill for those weeks, either. It's perfectly reasonable to expect your phone to not be carrier locked.

Re:Unlocking Cellphones Becomes Illegal Saturday in the U.S. by Terretta on Thursday January 24, 2013 @09:15PM (#5113551)
I wasn't clear. I didn't mean the carrier literally owns your phone. I prefixed with "I believe" intending to convey how it seems to work, not the technical fact. I should have written, "It's as though the carrier owns your phone".
Re:Unlocking Cellphones Becomes Illegal Saturday in the U.S. by kelnos on Sunday January 27, 2013 @05:51AM (#5123873)
But the technical fact is all that matters. What you "believe" is irrelevant.
Re:Unlocking Cellphones Becomes Illegal Saturday in the U.S. by pasbesoin on Thursday January 24, 2013 @04:07PM (#5112230)
I believe Jason's point is that you're still paying off the phone subsidy. Nothing's changed, as far as that's concerned.

You may be avoiding exorbitant surcharges, such as roaming fees.

Well... why are those surcharges so exorbitant?

Pay through the arse. Or toss another disposable phone into a landfill. People are starting to think that "some law" doesn't necessarily make it "right".