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Re:U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz Issues Statement on Aaron Swar... by corporalagumbo on Thursday January 17, 2013 @06:06AM (#5072009)
It makes a big difference. Four million is apparently the majority of JSTOR's database. Keep in mind that JSTOR doesn't own those articles, it just arranges approved access to paying institutions on behalf of the various journals which do own the articles. If Aaron had distributed them he might have damaged around a thousand different institutions involved in an important segment of the knowledge and innovation industry. You can argue that that industry should change but I am not sure I can agree that a brute force assault is a good way to create constructive change, especially in a relatively fragile and cash-strapped field like academia.

Anyway, I've used JSTOR a lot as a university student. It's a really good service. They don't create the economics of the journal industry, they just try to work within it.

And no, I disagree with you, Aaron's actions strike me as extreme and out of the ordinary.

Re:U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz Issues Statement on Aaron Swar... by Peaker on Thursday January 17, 2013 @08:54AM (#5072621)
Or his actions could have spread the wealth of information to many who lack access to it, facilitating further progress.

The notion that publicly funded research works are behind paywalls is absurd.

In any case, we will never know, because he never got around to actually distributing or doing anything with the downloaded products of public funding.

Re:U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz Issues Statement on Aaron Swar... by mpyne on Thursday January 17, 2013 @02:25PM (#5074623)
Are you sure that every article behind the JSTOR paywall was 100% publically funded? That's one question I've never heard the answer to.

Not to mention, let's say we're talking about stuff funded by the U.S. taxpayers... are you sure they would want those scientific articles to be freely available outside the U.S.? Similar questions apply to things funded by the U.K., France, etc.

Who gets to make that choice? In Aaron's world, he anointed himself Caesar and said that he gets to do so...

Re:U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz Issues Statement on Aaron Swar... by kanzure on Thursday January 17, 2013 @05:29PM (#5075651)
> Are you sure that every article behind the JSTOR paywall was 100% publically funded?

No, but we also don't know if his 'keepgrabbing' script was checking whether or not an article was in the public domain. This metadata is somewhat present on the JSTOR pages so it's conceivable that he might have been checking.... or not.

Re:U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz Issues Statement on Aaron Swar... by corporalagumbo on Friday January 18, 2013 @02:01AM (#5077507)
Yes, I agree with you. This issue has nothing to do with the economics and apparent social justice of the journal publishing industry/complex.

This is about headstrong young white men deciding that the rules do not apply to them any more.

Re:U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz Issues Statement on Aaron Swar... by Peaker on Friday January 18, 2013 @02:36PM (#5080484)
It is about extremely accomplished "young white men" deciding that unjust restrictions (not even rules, but terms of use of a website) should not be obeyed.
Re:U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz Issues Statement on Aaron Swar... by corporalagumbo on Friday January 18, 2013 @04:14PM (#5081071)
Terms of use are rules. Terms of use are the contract you establish with a party when they agree to render services to you. Just because it's "a website" doesn't mean shit.

Anyway, I don't care how accomplished you are, you don't get to decide that you don't like an arbitrary subset of the social contract and hence should be exempt from it. You are welcome to construct an argument against those rules and attempt to persuade others to your cause. But an argument for exceptionalism is no excuse for bypassing normal, democratic channels for political change.

Honestly I don't see why this point is so hard to understand. Aaron thought he had the answer to society's ills. You know what, everyone thinks that. Grumpy old men pissed off at immigration think they have the answer. The Unabomber thought he had the answer. It is one of the key advantages of democracy that we do not let individuals who think they have the answer just march in and change things as they see fit.

Re:U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz Issues Statement on Aaron Swar... by Peaker on Friday January 18, 2013 @07:01PM (#5081894)
He didn't harm anyone in his violation of the website's terms.

Should the user of adblock be facing multiple criminal charges if they visit a website whose terms disallow its use? It's absolutely ridiculous to allow these terms to be used for criminal prosecution.

Civil disobedience is a valid form of protest, and such a minor act of disobedience is ridiculous to throw dozens of frivolous charges on.

The democratic process for change in the US is long dead. Aaron had powerful enemies in Washington.

Re:U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz Issues Statement on Aaron Swar... by corporalagumbo on Friday January 18, 2013 @10:36PM (#5082537)
Minimisation, false conflation, melodrama and conspiracy theories. Nice.
Re:U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz Issues Statement on Aaron Swar... by Peaker on Saturday January 19, 2013 @04:56AM (#5083051)
What's to minimize, when the only potential victim of his actions said that were not harmed (and indeed they were not)?

What conflation? Do you think criminal charges for violating a website's terms are not ridiculous? Do you use adblock?

If you think democratic forces in the US are still working properly, I can see why you'd find realism to be melodramatic.

And finally, if you think powerful enemies in the US amount to nothing, you are again extremely naive.

In any case let's hope you aren't caught using adblock and violating a website's terms and being completely financially ruined in the pretrial stages of a frivolous prosecution.

Re:U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz Issues Statement on Aaron Swar... by mpyne on Friday January 18, 2013 @11:09PM (#5082597)
> The democratic process for change in the US is long dead. Aaron had powerful enemies in Washington.

No one even knew it was Aaron until he finally was arrested. Give it a break.

Re:U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz Issues Statement on Aaron Swar... by Peaker on Saturday January 19, 2013 @04:51AM (#5083043)
The frivolous prosecution was after he was arrested, not before.
Re:U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz Issues Statement on Aaron Swar... by wpietri on Thursday January 17, 2013 @12:25PM (#5073766)
Your theory is that a lot of libraries would suddenly stop subscribing to JSTOR because there's an old torrent of articles out there? That strikes me as ludicrous.

I believe there is no circumstance under which a release of the articles would have threatened JSTOR's business model in any significant way. And I think JSTOR believes that as well, which is why they told the feds not to pursue this.

Re:U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz Issues Statement on Aaron Swar... by jacquesm on Thursday January 17, 2013 @11:57AM (#5073610)
> especially in a relatively fragile and cash-strapped field like academia.

Academia does not publish articles. Publishers do and they are anything but cash strapped, check out Elsevier for instance.

Re:U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz Issues Statement on Aaron Swar... by mpyne on Thursday January 17, 2013 @02:22PM (#5074600)
Ah yes, the flipside of the normal rule of law, where it only gets directed at the poor. Now you're saying it's OK to mug someone, as long as they're rich and wouldn't have really needed the money anyways.
Re:U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz Issues Statement on Aaron Swar... by jacquesm on Thursday January 17, 2013 @02:46PM (#5074749)
What a ridiculous thing to say. I never said it was ok to mug someone because they're rich.

(1) this is an organization, not a person

(2) they're not being 'mugged' (see below), it's us that are being mugged every time we want to read about some piece of research

(3) whether or not they 'need money' isn't a factor

(4) use of the word 'mugging' implies violence, which was not applicable here

The law has long recognized that there is such a thing as 'the public good' as well as 'the public domain'. That didn't stop Disney from getting rich over stories already in the public domain and it won't stop publishers from making money on content.

There is no innate right to wall off a chunk of human heritage and claim ownership, even though lobbying power and money have distorted the balance of power substantially.

Re:U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz Issues Statement on Aaron Swar... by mpyne on Thursday January 17, 2013 @04:21PM (#5075297)
> There is no innate right to wall off a chunk of human heritage and claim ownership, even though lobbying power and money have distorted the balance of power substantially.

That I agree with, along with our problems with the public domain and copyright reform. I just don't like the reasoning couched in language about how much benefit a particular party has obtained.

E.g. we might decide that copyright period of, say, a year is hurtful and should be extended because overall (or on average) not enough benefit is obtained overall for those with copyright protection, causing an overall hurtful effect to society. But we wouldn't base that decision just on party A or B.

I understand you may simply have been using a specific example to speak for the general principle though, and if that's the case I apologize for jumping on your argument like that.

Re:U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz Issues Statement on Aaron Swar... by jacquesm on Thursday January 17, 2013 @04:33PM (#5075359)
There was a mix-up between academia and the publishers, with academia's financial issues used to bolster the case against sharing this data. But in actual fact the academic institutions pay the publishers and those publishers are very wealthy.

On another note, why is there only one 'kind' of copyright? Why do the same rules that apply to work written for profit apply to work written for scientific edification? Some differentiation there would go a long way towards solving these problems.

Re:U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz Issues Statement on Aaron Swar... by mpyne on Thursday January 17, 2013 @08:10PM (#5076440)
Don't get me wrong, I'm not at all a fan of the system setup by Elsevier et al. There's a lot that can and should be done to overhaul and scale back our system of copyright and other "intellectual property" to work better for the progress of society. I'm just also not a fan of the concept of "the ends justify the means".
Re:U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz Issues Statement on Aaron Swar... by colin_jack on Thursday January 17, 2013 @06:37AM (#5072106)
"If Aaron had distributed them he might have damaged around a thousand different institutions involved in an important segment of the knowledge and innovation industry"

I know there is his manifesto from a couple of years ago but we can't be sure what he was going to do with them.

Re:U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz Issues Statement on Aaron Swar... by AnthonyMouse on Thursday January 17, 2013 @03:07PM (#5074876)
The most interesting thing is that the manifesto really walks a fine line. For example, here is one of the most relevant parts:

"We need to take stuff that’s out of copyright and add it to the archive. We need to buy secret databases and put them on the Web. We need to download scientific journals and upload them to file sharing networks."

Now here's the funny thing: The first two arguably aren't illegal or infringing. If something is out of copyright then you can copy it. If you interpret buying a secret database as actually buying the distribution rights to it, neither is that. And if you read it in that context, you can imagine circumstances in which the same could be done to journals in specific circumstances, e.g. as a call for academics or their universities to retain their copyright so that they could do so with authorization, or with the subset of journals that charge for access but still allow liberal redistribution by those who have paid, etc. On the other hand, he's talking about civil disobedience, which implies lawbreaking. It's a conflicted piece.

So you have that, and then you have the fact that he was known to do work on text processing that may require a large corpus of articles for a database, which provides a rational alternative justification for downloading the articles other than to post them to file sharing networks -- or perhaps he intended to do that and also post that subset of the articles downloaded which could legally be posted, either because they're in the public domain or were appropriately licensed.

The point is we don't know, and the prosecution has the burden to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. So even if you think it's more likely than not that he would have posted them all to Pirate Bay, do you think so beyond a reasonable doubt? Because if I was on the jury, to me, the above doesn't feel like beyond a reasonable doubt.

Re:U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz Issues Statement on Aaron Swar... by corporalagumbo on Thursday January 17, 2013 @06:41AM (#5072121)
Do you have a link to that?
Re:U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz Issues Statement on Aaron Swar... by colin_jack on Thursday January 17, 2013 @08:17AM (#5072411)
Yup I was referring to this one:

https://gist.github.com/4552726

Re:U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz Issues Statement on Aaron Swar... by cristoperb on Thursday January 17, 2013 @05:32PM (#5075666)
Here it is on archive.org in several different formats:

http://archive.org/details/GuerillaOpenAccessManifesto