Good AI is like fusion, only difference is that AI receives funding.

wtf is fusion do ???? except its just waste of money ??

just use nuclear

for what it's worth, i've been saying many more "thank you" to my ai

I think the complexity of modern software, whether it's necessary or not, is often underestimated. There's still plenty of software you're not going to be able to build in a year, to a high standard of quality, no matter how many agents you throw at the problem.

But for me personally, the software I use on a day to day basis actually has changed drastically. I have lots of little apps and CLIs that speed up my workflows that I never had time to build in the past.

> why do we need to wait a year to see the results?

If you use it internally in business, you don't need to wait. There's lots of stuff deployed every day and works really well. If you want to see results in public, you'll have to wait for reasons unrelated to the speed of coding. Does something actually solve a problem, is it interesting enough to be popular for you to find it, is it better than most other attempts happening at the same time, and all the usual questions related to the business side. It's going to take time for PoCs to get refined enough that they gain popularity. The second issue is that lots of projects need data in addition to the software - and that still needs to be produced manually. And finally, creating a proper pubic project takes effort - there are lots more single-user solutions now.

> With 100% agentic vibecoding, everything should be amazing now.

At least in my company, it is. I have vibe coded three apps that are far better than the competition: an Xpra/Wprs alternative that's faster and much more reliable, an alternative to the VSCode Git Graph extension that is much faster and has tons more useful features (e.g. drag and drop to move/copy/rebase commits which is a feature I always wanted), and a Mac app that lets you use cheap MIDI controllers to control your screen brightness, volume, media playback etc.

I use them all every day and they're all extremely reliable, and much better than the existing tools. One was entirely vibe coded and the other two were unfinished projects that I vibe completed (probably 70% vibe code).

I suspect a mountain of people and companies have tools like these but they haven't open sourced them because a) I used company tokens so there's admin to get things open sourced, and b) it almost feels like there's no point... you can just vibe code your own version to your exact liking. Do you really want to use mine?

One major issue is also, the negative feedback loop on anything coded with a LLM.

The amount of posts when somebody introduces their program here on HN, that may have been LLM coded but that does not neglect the often massive amount of time the "dev" put into it. And yet, its all dismissed under this single negative "vibecoded" label.

I noticed that we are seeing more and more closed source programs, because people do not want to open source LLM generated code, out of fear that people start a negative PR loop against their program. And this reflects back to people not even releasing their programs into the wild.

There seem to be a inability of people to tell the difference between somebody spending a few prompts on making something, vs somebody spending months on 10.000's of prompts to make a great working program. It all gets thrown under that "vibe coded" bus. When its ironic because most code by now is LLM coded anyway. The amount of people hand coding is now probably a absolute minority.

Well, I think that's a bit of a shame but I can also come up with reasonable explanations for it...

Mostly, I think if you are promoting outside of your main area of expertise and couldn't have written it on your own, people don't want to put stuff out there and portray themselves as an expert in a subject matter that they relied heavily on AI assistance for, because it wouldn't be honest to other contributors to said project or other similar projects that were done without AI assistance.

So, I think I'd be fine with taking a look at and contributing to "vibe coded" projects so long as it is disclosed the level of expertise on the underlying subject matter that the repo maintainer has and the extent of the AI assistance.

Then it may be a genuine learning opportunity for them (and for me) and more power to them and it's a shame if it doesn't get published, but I can see why socially there is a pressure not to do it.

I don't want to open source my code because thievery and entitlement and generally unfriendly culture towards one another, anti to the original spirit of open source, has become more prevalent.

how/why that has happened is another story. I don't see the value in giving away my valuable thinking and ideas when it isn't appreciated and this massive-theft-founded AI company culture of our time thinks it is entitled to everything we create.

[Controversial edit: I don't think of myself as a slave, no matter what others may try to convince me to believe.]

Because it's not "in no time", nobody sane ever claimed that.

Maybe with capable agents productivity is increasing even more now, but building sw still takes time, even if only weeks or months instead of years.