Re:AI unlocks Gödel's notebooks, said to contain hundreds of...
by alterom on Friday November 13, 2026 @01:29PM
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It's literally an example of someone keeping themselves from becoming obsolete with AI.
Re:AI unlocks Gödel's notebooks, said to contain hundreds of...
by ShinyLeftPad on Friday November 13, 2026 @01:45PM
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That's what he thinks, surely.
Re:AI unlocks Gödel's notebooks, said to contain hundreds of...
by bdamm on Friday November 13, 2026 @01:56PM
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It's clear though. Even if an AI had connected all the dots on the obsolete shorthand, it would never have recognized the human value. I doubt that any AI process would choose to spend the energy on interpreting this particular obsolete handwriting and then understand that it was from the hand of a genius.
Re:AI unlocks Gödel's notebooks, said to contain hundreds of...
by ShinyLeftPad on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:01PM
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But is he needed once he finished writing the prompt?
Re:AI unlocks Gödel's notebooks, said to contain hundreds of...
by jvanderbot on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:05PM
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Using AI to do your job does not mean that AI suddenly walks in the door and escorts you out and starts collecting your paycheck.
Someone is still driving these studies, and probably will be for a while. Or maybe not. But still we can reward this guy for opening up this can of theorems that had before.
Silliest case: Imagine a dusty basement terminal screen open to claude code with "There we go! Cancer is cured as you requested, let me know and I'll send off the results" and nobody is around to approve it.
Re:AI unlocks Gödel's notebooks, said to contain hundreds of...
by sheikhnbake on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:01PM
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The professor's value was/is in being one of a few people with the capability of interpreting the shorthand. By translating it with AI, his value as an interpreter begins evaporating as the translated workbooks become accessible to more logicians.
Re:AI unlocks Gödel's notebooks, said to contain hundreds of...
by Bayart on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:29PM
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He might see his value in his role of carrying the knowledge itself rather than being its gatekeeper.
Re:AI unlocks Gödel's notebooks, said to contain hundreds of...
by mohamedkoubaa on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:37PM
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And he didn't want to milk that for the rest of his life because he's a smart guy that has other skills and interests
Re:AI unlocks Gödel's notebooks, said to contain hundreds of...
by cloudbonsai on Friday November 13, 2026 @06:11PM
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I actually got a very different impression. He could publish this interesting result, exactly because he had been working on this project i.e., had an interest dataset to feed into Claude and had knowledge to interpret its output.
Compare him to someone burning tokens to generate cringeworthy AI slops to share on social media. The value of a tool depends on the skill of the user.
Re:AI unlocks Gödel's notebooks, said to contain hundreds of...
by snk on Friday November 13, 2026 @01:45PM
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And via earthshaking victory, at that, wow.
Re:AI unlocks Gödel's notebooks, said to contain hundreds of...
by arbot360 on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:16PM
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Okay let me know when AI gets itself a 2.1M Euro grant from ERC as the PI.
Re:AI unlocks Gödel's notebooks, said to contain hundreds of...
by sheikhnbake on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:32PM
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I think you're missing my point. It's that once the workbooks are completely interpreted, which is happening at an accelerated pace thanks to AI, von Plato's value as an interpreter of the short hand becomes severely reduced, presumably as does his ability to get future grants.
I'd think there would be more competition to lead studies and receive grants now that the workbooks are accessible to a wider audience of logicians
Re:AI unlocks Gödel's notebooks, said to contain hundreds of...
by enneff on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:56PM
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If he was facing mandatory retirement nearly ten years ago it’s likely he might be ready for voluntary retirement, particularly after achieving this fantastic result.
Re:AI unlocks Gödel's notebooks, said to contain hundreds of...
by bananaflag on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:09PM
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Indeed, he is 75 years old.
Re:AI unlocks Gödel's notebooks, said to contain hundreds of...
by vorticalbox on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:06PM
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I would his not be in verifying the AI is output?
> Von Plato said he had started his Gödel project in 2017 because he was facing mandatory retirement from Helsinki University. “What should I do to make myself indispensable? Oh yes, I’ll start reading Gödel’s enigmatic shorthand pages!” He received a €2.5m (£2.1m) grant from the European Research Council, taught himself Gabelsberger shorthand – “I am one of only six people who can read it in the world” – and assembled a small team.