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Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by toomuchtodo on Friday November 13, 2026 @10:42AM (#50485156)
It's a great question. The Fed cannot print more oil, and so any efforts to reduce energy inflation with interest rates is going to be futile. Fiscal policy must step in (Congress) to both stabilize the oil market and accelerate our transition off of oil (which would prevent energy inflation in the future).

Fundamentally, due to structural demographics, we have arrived at a capital shortage period after a long capital surplus period [1]; there will be, for long into the future, more projects chasing a shrinking supply of capital. This will continue to push interest rates up, which will also drive asset prices down (real estate, private equity, etc).

Tangentially, about a year ago, I predicted that the Fed could beat on the economy all it wants with higher rates and this would not cause mass unemployment, because the world is rapidly aging and how fast workers are retiring out of the labor force [2]. This thesis appears to have been proven accurate, but more time is required to make the thesis more durable.

[1] https://www.apollo.com/wealth/insights-news/insights/daily-s...

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44392820

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by eqmvii on Friday November 13, 2026 @10:45AM (#50485187)
> The Fed cannot print more oil, and so any efforts to reduce energy inflation with interest rates is going to be futile

Doesn't increasing interest rates reduce demand though? So they can't print more oil, but they can reduce the attractiveness of investments that will require oil, thus indirectly driving prices down?

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by hgomersall on Friday November 13, 2026 @10:46AM (#50485221)
It doesn't reduce demand from those that receive interest income.
Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by toomuchtodo on Friday November 13, 2026 @10:48AM (#50485253)
Could be more specific, but I agree with the sentiment. Highest US earners drive almost half of US consumption, so yeah, the wealthy are consuming as long as they are and continue to feel wealthy.

https://www.rbc.com/en/economics/us-analysis/us-featured-ana...

https://www.cnbc.com/make-it/2026/03/06/e-shaped-economy-rep...

https://www.axios.com/2026/01/22/jobs-stock-market-rich-amer...

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by JumpCrisscross on Friday November 13, 2026 @10:57AM (#50485405)
"...average MPCs decline gradually with both income and wealth—from around 25 percent to 20 percent—before dropping off in the upper segments. Average MPCs among households in the top percent of the income and wealth distributions are about 14 percent and 15 percent, respectively" (FEDS Note).

I didn't know this. I wonder if the concavity is symmetric between an increase and decrease in wealth...

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by toomuchtodo on Friday November 13, 2026 @10:46AM (#50485205)
Elastic demand, but not inelastic demand. And there is a material amount of inelastic demand across the economy which is keeping demand durable, regardless of interest rates and oil/diesel prices.

In the US, the economy is passing increased money and energy costs to consumers. In China and other countries, they are rapidly electrifying light and heavy vehicles. Different responses to similar economic signals.

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by Muromec on Friday November 13, 2026 @10:53AM (#50485342)
When our dear allies fucked up with oil last time we got shorter work week and bycicle infrastructure.

So maybe elastic or inelastic isn't a binary, but somewhat closer to a step function

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by thayne on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:19AM (#50485728)
Well part of the problem is that while waging a war that increased oil prices, the US government has simultaneously been systematically dismantling existing projects to use and incentivise alternative energy sources.

Reducing our reliance on oil would be a very sensible response. Unfortunately, I don't think it is one our current government would consider.

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by toomuchtodo on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:06PM (#50486422)
New Congress is seated January 3rd, 2027. Lets see what happens.
Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by thayne on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:15AM (#50485662)
It reduces the attractiveness of a lot of investments, some that require oil, some that don't, and many that require labor, and that last thing means less jobs.
Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by JumpCrisscross on Friday November 13, 2026 @10:46AM (#50485213)
> any efforts to reduce energy inflation with interest rates is going to be futile

Raising rates makes credit more expensive. That cools down growth. That, in turn, eases resource demand (as a function of the resource intensity of GDP).

Practically speaking, higher rates today would mean less borrowing to build datacenters. (And new homes, et cetera.) Which would mean those marginal resources going to other uses. Which would ease price pressure.

> there will be, for long into the future, more projects chasing a shrinking supply of capital

Capital is priced in rates. Too many projects chasing too little capital will drive rates up until the capital markets balance.

And current spreads indicate a surplus of capital [1]. That's why we're seeing e.g. multi-trillion dollar IPOs.

[1] https://www.macrotrends.net/3229/us-high-yield-bond-spread

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by toomuchtodo on Friday November 13, 2026 @10:53AM (#50485333)
Thank you for keeping me honest and checking my work, as someone more sophisticated and smarter than I in these matters.
Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by JumpCrisscross on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:03AM (#50485505)
Experienced (in this domain), perhaps, smarter, no :)
Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by svnt on Friday November 13, 2026 @10:56AM (#50485394)
> Practically speaking, higher rates today would mean less borrowing to build datacenters.

This is only true if the cost of capital is a functional constraint. If the constraint is elsewhere (in this case: sourcing GPUs, bringing online energy resources) it will not have any significant effect.

When the expected return is very high because the captured resource is perceived to be monopolistic, this lever does practically nothing. Unless they raise it so much they destroy everything else.

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by JumpCrisscross on Friday November 13, 2026 @10:58AM (#50485425)
> This is only true if the cost of capital is a functional constraint

Then there are not, by definition, "more projects chasing a shrinking supply of capital."

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by svnt on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:59AM (#50486323)
> Then there are not, by definition, "more projects chasing a shrinking supply of capital."

It can be true if it is a subset of “more projects”, if the decision mechanism works outside a market, or if that capital is accessible via mechanisms within the market which are not directly linked to borrowing rates, such as where the cost of capital was locked in years ago. Rates are not a panacea.

> This is supply-side inflation. You can still bring down inflation with rates by cooling demand. (Less free cash in the economy means less spending on AI means less demand for GPUs.) The downside is it costs you more output than in a balanced economy.

You said the same thing I said, just euphemistically. This is like saying you can rid your house of insects with a flamethrower.

Re:U.S. October PPI Rises 6.5% YoY, Highest in Nearly Four Y... by JumpCrisscross on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:02PM (#50486362)
> if that capital is accessible via mechanisms within the market which are not directly linked to borrowing rates, such as where the cost of capital was locked in years ago

Sure. Now do the next project that's going to lock itself in today.

> Rates are not a panacea

Nobody argued as much. Just that the effect has size and meaningful magnitude.

> You said the same thing I said, just euphemistically

No, I didn't. In an economy where private investment dominates consumption, you can reduce output and thus inflation without touching consumption, i.e. without impacting household budgets. You're giving up future jobs. But barring a large influx of new workers, something America doesn't have a problem with right now, unemployment will stay steady.