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Re:Paul Graham: News from the Front by jedberg on Wednesday September 05, 2007 @11:47AM (#50485)
When I was in college, I figured out that the education you get doesn't really change. However, what does change is the people that you are associating with.

At the "elite" colleges, there is a greater percentage of smart students, which lends itself to more productive discussions and more difficult tests that force you to challenge yourself. Also, it is like the difference between the regular classes in high school and advanced classes -- in the advanced classes you cover the same material, but with greater breadth and a deeper understanding.

And the number 1 biggest advantage of going to an elite college is that you have a much better chance of meeting the world's future movers and shakers -- the people that will be the educational and business leaders of the next generation. That alone is a good reason to go to an elite college.

So I have to disagree, and say that there are indeed advantages to going to an elite college, just not the advantages that most people think.

Re:Paul Graham: News from the Front by pg on Wednesday September 05, 2007 @12:06PM (#50501)
If you read all the way to the end you'll find you're not disagreeing as much as you think.
Re:Paul Graham: News from the Front by jedberg on Wednesday September 05, 2007 @01:57PM (#50599)
I did read to the end, but I didn't really see anything in there indicating that there is still a benefit to going to an elite school. I just read it again, and still didn't see anything.

My interpretation of this essay is that one's success won't be predicated on which school you go to, and that is the point that I am disagreeing with. Did I misinterpret the point of the essay?

Re:Paul Graham: News from the Front by pg on Wednesday September 05, 2007 @02:10PM (#50606)
[4] At the best colleges you learn more from other students than from your professors. You should be able to reproduce this at almost any college by making a conscious effort to find smart friends, instead of leaving it to chance.

I.e. the benefit of going to an elite college is that you get almost for free something you have to work at otherwise: knowing lots of smart people.

Re:Paul Graham: News from the Front by jedberg on Wednesday September 05, 2007 @02:17PM (#50611)
Ah. I guess being in the footnote made me think it was more of an offhanded comment than a major counterpoint to the premise of the essay. Perhaps in an edited version, this should get its own paragraph.
Re:Paul Graham: News from the Front by pg on Wednesday September 05, 2007 @04:59PM (#50698)
Ok, a lot of people seemed to be commenting about this, so I pulled that point out of the footnote and up into the body of the essay.
Re:Paul Graham: News from the Front by brlewis on Wednesday September 05, 2007 @02:24PM (#50617)
I think I see what happened. When you read, "Colleges differ," you took "you wouldn't be missing much" as the context. This is largely due to "So it is with colleges."

Earlier, in "Colleges are a bit like exclusive clubs" I think pg intended "a bit" to communicate that what he's saying about exclusive clubs is less true for colleges. Humans read differently from computers, and those two tiny words are easily lost. "So it is with colleges" dominates.

Re:Paul Graham: News from the Front by brlewis on Wednesday September 05, 2007 @12:13PM (#50510)
This essay posits that choice of college doesn't act as a success indicator when evaluating a pool of people. That's addressing a different question from whether choice of college acts as a success factor for individuals.
Re:Paul Graham: News from the Front by pg on Wednesday September 05, 2007 @01:11PM (#50577)
Uh oh. Actually the second half is about the latter. Is that not clear?
Re:Paul Graham: News from the Front by brlewis on Wednesday September 05, 2007 @02:00PM (#50600)
I read it as 23 paragraphs making strong statements about the former, and 3 paragraphs making weaker statements about the latter. But that's just me. Someone who sees college as a stamp of destiny would say you made a strong statement about the latter.

In general, I find myself a poor judge of what will or won't be clear to other people in a given essay; I read differently from most. I discover what did and didn't work in your essays from reading comments. I have a hard time extracting general communication principles from each essay's success or failure, because audiences differ. Still, I hope to learn something; writing is important.

Re:Paul Graham: News from the Front by cstejerean on Wednesday September 05, 2007 @08:17PM (#50790)
Well you don't get it for free, you have to waste valuable years of your life to become worthy of admission to such a place. Depending on how good your social skills it might be easier to study hard and go to a good school to meet smart people.