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Re:Gemini 4 Hydrogen by vallerie on Thursday November 12, 2026 @01:22PM (#50471763)
And for those on API billing? Opus is still quite pricy for what you're getting done with it.
Re:Gemini 4 Hydrogen by airstrike on Thursday November 12, 2026 @01:30PM (#50471899)
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Re:Gemini 4 Hydrogen by XCSme on Thursday November 12, 2026 @01:31PM (#50471919)
Why stay on API billing? A $200 monthly subscription has a crazy amount of usage and more than enough for a couple of concurrent projects.
Re:Gemini 4 Hydrogen by demibabs on Thursday November 12, 2026 @01:33PM (#50471946)
Enterprises with more than 150 seats have to pay API costs.
Re:Gemini 4 Hydrogen by jesperwe on Thursday November 12, 2026 @02:31PM (#50472910)
Or get multiple teams. Just use git instead of artifacts ;-)
Re:Gemini 4 Hydrogen by sz4kerto on Thursday November 12, 2026 @01:35PM (#50471990)
Because you can't get subscription if your company has more than 150 users.
Re:Gemini 4 Hydrogen by scrollop on Thursday November 12, 2026 @01:51PM (#50472241)
So they move to non SOTA models.
Re:Gemini 4 Hydrogen by jrflo on Thursday November 12, 2026 @01:33PM (#50471951)
If you're on API billing then presumably you're a business, and $1,000 a month is still reasonable for that quality of work
Re:Gemini 4 Hydrogen by szatkus on Thursday November 12, 2026 @01:43PM (#50472112)
Those subscriptions won't be subsidized forever. At least not as much as they are today.
Re:Gemini 4 Hydrogen by selectodude on Thursday November 12, 2026 @01:48PM (#50472197)
API token inference is subsidizing the rest of the business.
Re:Gemini 4 Hydrogen by scrollop on Thursday November 12, 2026 @01:50PM (#50472232)
Price per token is dropping (though anthropic are doing dastardly things such as using new tokenizers that use 30% more tokens), efficiency will likely increase.

If the subscriptions (of all of the big companies - unlikely?) give a poor amount of value in the future, will move to trusted/open router and use a harness that uses the latest cheap good models for most things, more expensive models as orchestrators.

Already there are non-SOTA models that should be sufficient for most non-coding tasks, and soon for coding, also.

The future is bright, in that respect, without subsidizing the ridiculous IPOs.

Re:Gemini 4 Hydrogen by cortesoft on Thursday November 12, 2026 @02:13PM (#50472624)
People keep saying this, but inference itself is not what is being subsidized. The expense for electricity/hardware/datacenter operations/etc for an inference token is less than what they charge for it, so that cost doesn’t HAVE to go up to be profitable.

The thing that is being subsidized is the TRAINING costs, and that is because they aren’t selling enough tokens yet to pay for the training costs. This is just like most other growth businesses, though, and if enough people use enough inference, it can be self sustaining.

Re:Gemini 4 Hydrogen by Rodmine on Thursday November 12, 2026 @04:16PM (#50474400)
Or $20 for the same amount of work with US/EU hosted Deepseek flash v4.1.