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Re:Why are we still working this hard? by jdw64 on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @03:27PM (#50458227)
I was reading this and a question came up. It ultimately works under the premise that there is only one ticket — so the conclusion is that the ticket must be ownership.

But if machines produce more, couldn't the state provide free services rather than cash? In kind provision could be less dependent on wages than taxation is.

Then couldn't we divide the monetary system further — not as banknotes, but by subdividing it? Would the administrative system be too difficult after all?

In other words, if the problem is that only the "wage" earned for participating in production grants the right to consume, then shouldn't tickets to the means of production also be distributed?

Still, no matter how I think about it, in the end it comes down to the problem of distribution. The OP also gives capital ownership as an example, but...

If automation can enable substantial production without human labor, then what on earth is the reason we should keep demanding that humans do wage labor for survival? I find myself thinking about this a lot these days.

Someone who did not participate in production can consume the product because they own capital. Then what is the basis on which that right arises?

In fact, economic logic, when you think about it, seems to be mostly a kind of circular reasoning. It says "capital's share equals its marginal contribution," but that market itself is ultimately something created by power.

Sometimes I have thoughts like this. In fact, the core of capitalism is the ownership of the means of production, and such ownership will keep accumulating ever-widening disparities. If automation keeps advancing, humans will eventually become unnecessary — and then how will the market be maintained? We cannot give everyone a claim on automated production. In the end, a ruling class and a ruled class will inevitably exist, and the question becomes how the ruling class can rule entirely with the consent of the ruled. Lately, it seems this principle no longer works in capitalism.

Re:Why are we still working this hard? by lorepieri on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @03:55PM (#50458547)
There is hope for fully automated robotic companies that are owner-less, and undercut any profit-making entity since they have no profit sharing to do. See https://lorenzopieri.com/robotic_commons/
Re:Why are we still working this hard? by p_l on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @04:20PM (#50458851)
> In fact, the core of capitalism is the ownership of the means of production, and such ownership will keep accumulating ever-widening disparities. If automation keeps advancing, humans will eventually become unnecessary

Welcome to the Marxism 101, the basic idea when observing increasing automation while expanding the ideas of Adam Smith, and some of the more solid parts of the thought (there are both very good bangers and "let's not talk about this" in it)