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Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by AJRF on Monday November 09, 2026 @05:32AM (#50423714)
McDonalds doesn't have a moat? Eh - yes they do.

They've global procurement, the franchise model means the franchisee shoulders a lot of costs, they own the land the restaurant is on in 50%+ of the locations, and they own the technology system that underpins their app + ordering.

It's a massive moat.

Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by 4gotunameagain on Monday November 09, 2026 @06:59AM (#50424406)
That's not a moat, those are advantages.

Anybody can open a franchise restaurant business, of course not initially having the margins of a well established international behemoth.

A moat is what ASML has, having achieved something others spent many years failing.

A moat is what NVIDIA has with CUDA, against which so much software is written.

Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by diatone on Monday November 09, 2026 @07:40AM (#50424790)
An economy of scale, which McDonalds surely has as GP suggested in various areas, supports durable profits. Seems like a moat to me.

Land is the classic cornered resource. Again a source of durable profits. You can’t open up a franchise restaurant on land owned by McDonalds; the profits from traffic earned in that location are not accessible to you.

CUDA is not a moat because it happens to be unique. CUDA provides a moat for NVIDIA due to the high switching costs and network effects it provides.

McDonalds to my knowledge does not have any network effects dynamics going on however they have entrenched switching cost mechanisms in the form of loyalty rewards programs.

If you think McDonalds has no moat you’re dreaming.

Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by 4gotunameagain on Monday November 09, 2026 @08:02AM (#50425014)
Maybe we just have a slightly different definition of moat, mine focusing more on intangible assets and switching costs.

I don't think the land of McDonalds is a moat. A factor increasing profit, sure. But anybody can by land across the street immediately, only needs money.

Even with infinite money, it is questionable when and if you can cross the moats of ASML and NVIDIA.

Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by dist-epoch on Monday November 09, 2026 @09:39AM (#50426274)
Under your definition of a moat, OpenAI and Anthropic also have ones.
Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by zer0tonin on Monday November 09, 2026 @08:59AM (#50425711)
MCD has a huge real estate moat.
Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by nonethewiser on Monday November 09, 2026 @09:13AM (#50425913)
Can you describe how that is a moat? A structural advantage that prevents other businesses from taking their customers, or their customers from switching. For example, how does McDonalds real estate holdings make it harder for diners to choose Burger King instead?

It gives McDonalds a lot of intrinsic value. It’s definitely a core part of their business. But it doesn’t prevent people from going to Burger King.

Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by zer0tonin on Monday November 09, 2026 @11:00AM (#50427358)
They own restaurants in key touristic areas that have massive amounts of potential customers going around. This is a structural advantage because people often just pick the easiest option (especially when it comes to fast food).

For example, in Paris they have two restaurants on Avenue des Champs-Élysées. While there's a Burger King right around the corner (Rue de la Boétie), a lot of hungry tourists will simply not walk in front of it.

Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by smurf9852 on Monday November 09, 2026 @12:53PM (#50428940)
Open a restaurant. Is it a McDonalds? Yes -> you instantly have lots of customers No -> you don't have lots of customers

People know McDonald's. They don't know your random new chain.

This is called a moat.

Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by 4gotunameagain on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:49PM (#50432743)
It is very clear that an established brand will have more initial traction than a new one, but this does not make it a moat.

It would be a moat if something prevented others from establishing their brand in the same fashion, which we can see is not the case from the multitude of other successful international fast food brands.