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Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by hexapus on Sunday November 08, 2026 @10:01PM (#50420489)
I've been saying for awhile now that the utility is increasingly undeniable. It's amazing technology and for better or worse, is transforming the tech industry (in particular). I just wish we lived in a world without the speculative bubbles, because if this had been developed slowly, deliberately, over time, there would be no necessity to cast aside troublesome details like safety, suitability, and ethics...and we could enjoy the fruits as it was implemented gradually, responsibly, as it matures. As opposed to going "wow, this is really cool, but gosh I feel shitty about using it..."

Nor would it have been thrust blindly into the hands of your manager, the marketing department, the CEO, and countless other folks who have no understanding of how it works, its limitations, or its risks.

Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by ctkhn on Sunday November 08, 2026 @11:59PM (#50421246)
A tech workers union or a stronger regulatory state could help with this but neither party has been that interested in either of those things for the last 50 years.
Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by WalterBright on Monday November 09, 2026 @12:48AM (#50421535)
> A tech workers union or a stronger regulatory state could help with this

Look to Europe to see how that has worked out.

Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by sham1 on Monday November 09, 2026 @01:56AM (#50422010)
Well at least from where I'm sitting, it's working fine for us. We aren't in the midst of an oligarchy made up of the Epstein class, for one.

Could thing be better with the tech industry here? Sure, but at the same time, profits and industry leaders aren't the only things that matters. And at the very least companies here can't just exploit the public with total impunity.

Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by cowlevel on Monday November 09, 2026 @01:59AM (#50422037)
You are posting this on a forum made by American venture capitalists, and not a forum made by European tech unions, for a reason.
Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by sham1 on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:24AM (#50422204)
Indeed I am, and you're right, there is a reason for it. The tech unions don't need to capture mindshare in order to advertise VC-funded startups ;)

We shouldn't assume that YC is hosting this forum out of benevolence.

Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by antonvs on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:12AM (#50423080)
Curious to know what you think the reason is exactly. Nuclear weapons? Economic imperialism? Ruthlessness?
Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by stackbutterflow on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:50AM (#50423383)
Can you read the non English speaking forums? Because they exist and people post on it but if you're a monolingual American you won't know it.
Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by chadgpt5 on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:15AM (#50422132)
> We aren't in the midst of an oligarchy made up of the Epstein class, for one.

Aren't you? Or, haven't you noticed yet?

Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by graemep on Monday November 09, 2026 @06:03AM (#50423955)
We are. In the UK we have the former Prince Andrew and Peter Mandelson selling information to Epstein. There are lots of other people all around the world connected to Epstein and mostly investigations are slow or on-existent or blocked through lack of cooperation by the US.

Epstein's network is one we know about because its been exposed and because of the sexual abuse aspect of it has both drawn attention and made people less likely to cover up for those involved. Its only a fraction of the corruption that goes on though.

Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by roenxi on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:47AM (#50422392)
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Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by watwut on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:02AM (#50422521)
Hereditary super class is by miles less dangerous then tech bro CEO. The latter are so closed to actually finishing American democracy

Yes, America is somewhat freer then Russia. Despite aligning itself woth Russia, trying to help it as much as possible last years.

But no, America does not have more freedom or human rights defense then Europe. It has also much worst powerty.

Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by Pragmata on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:54AM (#50423415)
Is that a joke?
Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by graemep on Monday November 09, 2026 @06:11AM (#50424014)
The US is great for free speech as its constitutionally protected. However it is also very corrupt. Pros and cons.

There are a lot of advantages to constitutional monarchies in terms of stability. The monarchs do not actually have much power. I on balance prefer living in the UK and would not want to move to the US. There are pros and cons, and its culture and society (e.g. unarmed police) as well as politics and some if it is about personal circumstances (as someone who is obviously ethnic minority or foreign everywhere in the world I prefer a less racist society, for example).

I can yell "down with the King" or "down with the Prime Minister" pretty much anywhere. There are some restrictions on protest in a few places like Parliament square.

Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by simiones on Monday November 09, 2026 @12:59PM (#50429043)
Though you can't, of course, yell "I support Palestine Action" or you will literally be arrested for terrorism.
Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by graemep on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:03PM (#50430038)
Which is why I said the US is better for free speech.

I just think its worse in some other ways.

Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by inglor_cz on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:52AM (#50422429)
I am also a European. Our oligarchy looks different for sure (and look into the history of pedophile scandals in Belgium, BTW).

I am not as optimistic as you. We seem to be stagnating our way into a stark choice between becoming an American tech vassal, a Chinese tech vassal, or losing out the remnants of our ability to compete on the world markets. Half of the continent borrows money at an unsustainable rate in order to pay millions of people to do nothing for decades.

We have made decisions that looked reasonable at the time they were made, but too much has changed in the meantime and now we are stuck in bad equilibria.

The Bismarckian pay-as-you-go pension system was stable as long as people had plenty of kids and died, on average, a few years after retiring. Now they have one kid and spend 20 years in retirement before they die. The maths of that system just does not work out.

The European highly regulated industry was king as long as the rest of the world had no other choice, but now that Asia has industrialized, they are blowing us out of the water. First with lower prices, but now also with quality. German exports are half of what they used to be, with another halving expected. And of course without exports, our current social spending cannot be sustained either - you cannot keep such a massive redistribution mechanism running on an economy based on selling each other cups of coffee in a beach bar.

We just cannot continue to live like that, something will have to yield, but many voters just don't want to hear that.

Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by littlecosmic on Monday November 09, 2026 @01:05AM (#50421645)
When you say “increasingly undeniable” do you mean that it’s already plainly undeniable and it’s getting more so? Or do you mean it is still a bit deniable but is threatening to become undeniable soon?
Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by matwood on Monday November 09, 2026 @01:57AM (#50422021)
> I just wish we lived in a world without the speculative bubbles

Speculative bubbles, I.E. risk is where much of the capital comes from to develop these ideas to start. I’m not sure you can have one without the other.

Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by whycombilater on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:37AM (#50422316)
Is the utility increasingly undeniable? What does data actually show?
Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by RunSet on Monday November 09, 2026 @07:50AM (#50424892)
> I've been saying for awhile now that the utility is increasingly undeniable.

If that was true it is strange that you would find yourself saying as much for a while now, given it sounds most appropriate in response to someone denying the utility of slop generators.