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Re:Show HN: Coldframe, a honeypot that poses as a supermarke... by hedgerow-dev on Saturday November 07, 2026 @01:51PM (#50406941)
One thing keeps coming back, (and it's the story of industries where security and patching is an afterthought).

a supermarket has no security team. If a fridge controller needs patching, a VPN and a strong password to be safe, that work has to come from the vendor or installer by default. One would hope that all these come by default or as a feature on these devices. It could even be a selling feature and not part of an expensive maintenance contract. A supermarket manager cannot be expected to do this work.

Re:Show HN: Coldframe, a honeypot that poses as a supermarke... by amenghra on Saturday November 07, 2026 @03:35PM (#50407811)
This is how it should work: supermarket wants to use high tech stuff such as connected fridges, they get a cyber insurance policy as part of all the other insurances they have. The insurer then has domain experts to figure out what the insured needs to do to meet a risk threshold (or they adjust fees accordingly).

This model has worked fine for many other types of risks.

Re:Show HN: Coldframe, a honeypot that poses as a supermarke... by hedgerow-dev on Saturday November 07, 2026 @03:41PM (#50407851)
Many of these supermarkets are part of big brands but operate independently. I doubt cyber insurance is top of mind for those small owners
Re:Show HN: Coldframe, a honeypot that poses as a supermarke... by SoftTalker on Saturday November 07, 2026 @04:29PM (#50408245)
It will be soon. How many refrigerated cases of product can they afford to lose?
Re:Show HN: Coldframe, a honeypot that poses as a supermarke... by gruez on Saturday November 07, 2026 @09:22PM (#50409927)
Not to mention other ways cyberattacks can paralyze their business, eg. their POS system
Re:Show HN: Coldframe, a honeypot that poses as a supermarke... by rcxdude on Sunday November 08, 2026 @04:51AM (#50411806)
In practice this insurance (which already exists!) just creates another compliance checklist and not a meaningful focus on actual security.
Re:Show HN: Coldframe, a honeypot that poses as a supermarke... by _kb on Saturday November 07, 2026 @10:02PM (#50410070)
That seems pretty location dependant. In Australia at least the two major supermarket chains are not insignificant (e.g. EBITDA ~$5 billion and ~$2.6 billion) and have large internal tech and cyber teams.

I think this is more indicative of the plethora of technical debt and straight up technical negligence that's accompanied the past 10-15 years of internet connected everything. What's happening today is the predictable result of project based works funded by capex deploying assets (of all types) with no consideration of opex funding for the technology components.

Just because a webserver is running in some physical device (fridge, camera, vacuum, washing machine, pump controller, lighting system, audiovisual equipment, access control system etc) does not magically exempt it from the same sort of ongoing sysadmin and maintenance you'd expect as a baseline for something running on standard compute. That applies equally to manufacturers publishing firmware, and the asset owners/service companies that have the responsibility to apply.

Re:Show HN: Coldframe, a honeypot that poses as a supermarke... by gspr on Sunday November 08, 2026 @04:17AM (#50411629)
Agree with all of what you're saying, wholeheartedly.

But I keep coming back to: why do supermarkets need networked freezers anyway? Most supermarkets are open most days, with long hours. Can't any adjustments just be done manually by staff on the rare occasions when that is needed? I've seen some people argue that the major usecase is defrosting. But when you're defrosting, you certainly have lots of people on site engaged in emptying the fridge in question. Surely flipping the thermostat is a rounding error as far as costs go?

Re:Show HN: Coldframe, a honeypot that poses as a supermarke... by minusLik on Sunday November 08, 2026 @10:09AM (#50413947)
Networking freezers is good for: * continuous monitoring and logging of the freezer's temperature (supermarkets are obliged to do so) * sending alerts when something's off

Regarding the defrosting: Commercial freezers can defrost while the groceries stay in, just like the "No-Frost" freezer at home.

Re:Show HN: Coldframe, a honeypot that poses as a supermarke... by yojo on Sunday November 08, 2026 @01:04AM (#50410825)
I work at a company that sells security software to a major grocery chain. They definitely have a security team, I’ve talked to them.