If only there were some way to determine speed based on observable data. Oh well maybe some day.

[delayed]

Why the snarky comment? We already have to data points: one person heard it was faster, another person heard it was slower. If more and more people tell what they've heard then we will know the truth. Please go read how science works!

Now if only we could peer review our peers’ reviews..

Some actual numbers (vibe coded benchmark ported from the JS framework benchmark):

  Median update+build time per frame (ms), lower is better
  Machine: macOS 26 VM, Apple M4 (virtual)

  benchmark (ms)      Dioxus    Iced    egui   Slint    GPUI
  create 1k            12.91   17.57   10.66   26.99   22.32
  replace 1k           14.46   14.48    7.48   17.07   17.41
  update every 10th     2.12    1.94    4.17    5.55   10.65
  select row            1.16    0.37    3.50    6.62   10.68
  swap rows             1.45    0.42    3.53    4.10   10.26
  remove row            1.32    0.39    3.27    4.46   11.95
  create 10k          124.97  152.52   58.97  136.07  164.58
  append 1k to 10k     28.12  157.67   33.01   69.93  117.70
  clear 1k              3.00    0.86    0.07    4.60    0.04
  scroll frame          0.28    0.10    0.55    4.23    3.79

Dioxus above is Dioxus Native.

These are CPU-only times for the state management / style / layout / etc, but don't include rasterization (additional work in the benchmark harness required to measure GPU time sensibly).

Did you test gpui_fast? I'm curious how it compares.

I did not, but judging from it's README it may well solve most of the issues.

Do you have a repo or something i could run the benchmark locally with please?

This must be the lowest effort hacker news comment ever. And I've made some really low effort myself.

It is enough to counter the original claims though.