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Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by cosmicgadget on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:55PM (#50385031)
Is the same not true of 50/100 free browser-based searches?
Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by freediver on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:58PM (#50385057)
This comes out of marketing budget for new user acquisition.
Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by cosmicgadget on Thursday November 05, 2026 @05:05PM (#50385159)
Insurmountable then.
Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by freediver on Thursday November 05, 2026 @05:33PM (#50385465)
Or not a problem to begin with :)
Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by coldtea on Thursday November 05, 2026 @05:03PM (#50385117)
Only in the trivial sense that they also cost.

But those are an offer and are used to advertise and get more users. Not to mention, as the "50/100" says, they're capped.

Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by cosmicgadget on Thursday November 05, 2026 @05:14PM (#50385241)
> Only in the trivial sense that they also cost.

I don't get it, what other sense is there? Seems like 50 daily API queries would be lighter weight than 50 browser queries. And with an API you can require a key (aka subscriber).

> But those are an offer and are used to advertise and get more users.

"Try our search engine from your browser" / "Try our search engine from your agent setup" These both seem like user acquisition pitches. The real difference with programmatic access is that you'll likely get users hitting the cap and paying for more usage if they like the product.

> as the "50/100" says, they're capped.

... which is exactly what I was suggesting for API use.

Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by Dayshine on Thursday November 05, 2026 @05:39PM (#50385521)
Why would API searches be lighter? The searches are expensive, not the rendering.
Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by cosmicgadget on Thursday November 05, 2026 @05:53PM (#50385692)
I guess because a web-based search is fundamentally one or more API calls so everything before and after it is expense. Maybe it's very near zero.
Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by coldtea on Thursday November 05, 2026 @06:31PM (#50386086)
>I don't get it, what other sense is there?

Obvioulsy the TYPE and RETURNS of some cost.

>These both seem like user acquisition pitches. The real difference with programmatic access is that you'll likely get users hitting the cap and paying for more usage if they like the product.

50 searches from the web feel way more generous to a user than using the agent (most wont even hit them), hitting the 50 cap in like 10 minutes, and being negative about the whole experience.

>... which is exactly what I was suggesting for API use.

Which is exactly why it wouldn't work well for API use with such cap.

Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by Aurornis on Thursday November 05, 2026 @05:30PM (#50385422)
No, and it's a real problem for free and trial tiers for services like this.

When a real user is going through the trial period, those 50 searches get them familiar with the tool. When their usage runs out, they're forced to decide if they want to pay to continue or invest the work into replacing it.

AI agents typically don't care. They may sign up for a trial, use the trial, and then when the trial runs out they might get creative and create a new account, or silently switch to another service to avoid bothering the user.

Browsing some of the forums where people discuss their search setups is enlightening. The current favorite strategy is to have your AI set up access to all of the different search providers with free tiers and then rotate among them to avoid having to pay for anything.

Defeats the purpose of the free tier.

Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by cosmicgadget on Thursday November 05, 2026 @05:50PM (#50385653)
> Browsing some of the forums where people discuss their search setups is enlightening.

Interesting, is this for personal use or is it some business application? In any event I'd imagine the same can be done via agents using a browser.

> AI agents typically don't care. They may sign up for a trial, use the trial, and then when the trial runs out they might get creative and create a new account, or silently switch to another service to avoid bothering the user.

That is a crazy amount of compute just to conduct a search.

Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by midnightclubbed on Thursday November 05, 2026 @06:01PM (#50385762)
If burning tokens is free then the user doesn’t care. None of this changes until free money stops flowing into AI companies.
Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by Aurornis on Thursday November 05, 2026 @06:52PM (#50386276)
The people on AI company plans don't need these services because they're included in the plans.

It's the people downloading open weight models and running OpenClaw (or this month's trend) who don't care how many tokens it takes because it only costs them electricity.

Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by Aurornis on Thursday November 05, 2026 @06:51PM (#50386268)
> That is a crazy amount of compute just to conduct a search.

Real businesses aren't doing stuff like this.

It's the home users who use LLMs as a hobby. Some power users pay for Exa and other services. A lot of home LLM users will go to unbelievable lengths to not pay for anything that isn't hardware. Seeing what your agent can do is half the fun for them.

Set one of them against a goal and tell it to not bother you until it has the answer. They will do some weird things as they go.