Yeah: quantity is a quality all of its own. DS v4.1 Flash running at ~300tk/s makes its verbosity less of a downside, and the efficiencies the Chinese open model space has aimed for makes high concurrency easy for swarms/sub agent sets.

On the other side, I am still shocked at how good Qwen 3.8 Flash Next is on my GB10 Spark-like, even if it is only 45 tk/s decode!