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Re:Verification Is Not Knowledge: Science needs more than an... by wqtz on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @08:30AM (#50365271)
As you said, "Science is an ideal." I think you and I have fundamentally different views of science. You are an idealist, whereas I am a practical person who has seen how the sausage of science is actually made.
Re:Verification Is Not Knowledge: Science needs more than an... by redwood on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @08:44AM (#50365413)
Still there's something to the notion of people who prefer Academia to Industry. As much as I tend to agree with your broader points that it's a game and people love the prestige game and they now can pull levers to accelerate their winning in that Prestige game.. still they chose a path that is less about money and more about ideals than industry. It may be less and less ideal driven and less and less of a cloistered monastery but it's still a place for people who chose against industry. I say that as an industry guy who can just feel when I speak to academics that they are driven by something different than those of us industry. And to be clear those resident industry are not only driven by money we're also driven by building and changing the world but it's still different
Re:Verification Is Not Knowledge: Science needs more than an... by Loquebantur on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @08:59AM (#50365597)
You're talking about academia, society's attempt to gain economic utility from science. You assume, I didn't know about it based on what?

Exploiting science for economic utility alone misses the incurred second order effects, as I posited above. You completely ignore that crucial part, despite of it being the whole (very much practical) point here.

Re:Verification Is Not Knowledge: Science needs more than an... by sillywabbit on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @09:07AM (#50365727)
A practical person would be off doing something else. You have an axe to grind.
Re:Verification Is Not Knowledge: Science needs more than an... by lapinot on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @10:26AM (#50366937)
Don't you think your comment applies better to your behavior than GP's? At least they are actually contributing to the conversation.
Re:Verification Is Not Knowledge: Science needs more than an... by sillywabbit on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @11:42AM (#50368169)
This person isn't trying to have a serious conversation. They're just ranting.