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Re:Egoless Mathematics in the AI Era by tarsierscripter on Monday November 02, 2026 @10:14PM (#50347573)
Sure, mathematics will survive and even prosper with AI, but what about the mathematicians

It's not a given that mathematics will survive without mathematicians. It's not even likely. The proofs OpenAI threw over the wall are unpublishable garbage, top to bottom. A big reason mathematicians are so upset is that they feel like they've been drafted into the role of unpaid editor for OpenAI.

Make no mistake about it, the mathematical profession is under attack. The biggest incentive for becoming a mathematician (as opposed to a hired gun quant) is the challenge of solving the proofs. Take that away and the most talented problem solvers go with it.

In time, the profession of mathematics will evolve so a new task is at the center of the diagram--maybe it will be explaining math results to humans or teaching math to future mathematicians.

That is the centre of mathematics. It's what schools pay mathematicians to do. All the research stuff, the problem solving, the "thrill of the hunt" for elusive proofs, and the prestige of being the first? That's the carrot the schools dangle in front of mathematicians' noses to get them to work. Without that, you don't get exceptional mathematicians teaching classes and supervising grad students (and attracting the world's top students to your school); you get adjuncts and only adjuncts.

Re:Egoless Mathematics in the AI Era by nradov on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @01:02AM (#50348608)
If those OpenAI proofs are unpublishable garbage then our concept of publishing has to change. Pure math will probably shift from journals publishing PDFs to individuals (or their agents) posting Lean code in Git repos.
Re:Egoless Mathematics in the AI Era by tarsierscripter on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @07:13AM (#50351031)
That’s of no use to anyone. Haven’t you been following this story? The value of a pure math proof is the understanding it brings and the additional questions raised along the way. Its truth value is of minor consequence.
Re:Egoless Mathematics in the AI Era by nradov on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:24AM (#50352366)
I've been following the story. Git repos of Lean code are a good start to developing understanding. First verify that the proof is correct, then work on ways to simplify it and make it understandable.
Re:Egoless Mathematics in the AI Era by soniczentropy on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @08:29AM (#50351738)
If Astra manages to genocide journal publishing I'd instantly consider it the crowning achievement of tech
Re:Egoless Mathematics in the AI Era by busssard on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:32AM (#50352465)
Many journals already have a no AI policy no?
Re:Egoless Mathematics in the AI Era by cjcole on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @02:26AM (#50349098)
I've seen two mathematicians (Dana Moshkovitz and one I can't track down involved in ETH) state that the proofs were greek to them as written but that other models understood the papers just fine and could break it down and explain it to them.

Example: "Basically the paper is so horribly written that it’s impossible to read it without AI help. I asked Astra for reasonable completeness and soundness claims of the noise gadget and it gave them by combining claims from all over the paper."

Without AI help? Impossible. With AI help? Comprehensible.

That is consistent with the assertion that mathematics might outlast human mathematicians.

(Feels related to models evolving forms of human-incomprehensible shorthand when communicating among themselves.)

Re:Egoless Mathematics in the AI Era by lioeters on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @04:07AM (#50349716)
This is similar to some of the software being produced these days, where it's impossible to understand or develop the codebase further without AI. The complexity is beyond what even an above average individual human brain can comprehend.

Without making a value judgement of whether that's good or bad for the field in the long term, it is an interesting point to note the similarity with the human-incomprehensible communication among AI agents. When there are no humans in the loop, it's no longer necessary to translate or "lower" the representation for our benefit. Since it's still early days, we can only imagine and extrapolate how far it might go in that direction, what might evolve out of it in the future.

Re:Egoless Mathematics in the AI Era by tarsierscripter on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @07:27AM (#50351179)
Dana Moshkovitz is a computer scientist, not a pure mathematician. The work she does may have practical applications even if the proofs may be incomprehensible, just as incomprehensible software can still be useful.

Incomprehensible pure mathematics has no value to anyone.