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Re:US boy names that became girl names and vice versa by thequux on Monday November 02, 2026 @04:32PM (#50344099)
Those aren't family names but rather patronyms or matronyms (respectively); they directly translate to "son/daughter of Ivan". As I understand though, matronyms are often based on the name of the person's mother, so Ivanova wouldn't be a common name.

That said, I don't speak Russian and have only a passing familiarity with the construction of Russian names, so don't take this as gospel.

Re:US boy names that became girl names and vice versa by triceratops on Monday November 02, 2026 @04:40PM (#50344197)
I don't think so. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivanov says it's a surname, equivalent to "Johnson" (since Ivan is Slavic for John).

In the old days Johnson might've meant literally "son of John" but no longer. All of the people with the surname "Ivanov(a)" on that page also have a patronym, which in the West would be considered a middle name.

Re:US boy names that became girl names and vice versa by dprkh on Monday November 02, 2026 @04:47PM (#50344305)
GP is correct. Ivanov or Ivanova would generally be surnames, whereas Ivanov or Ivanov[n]a would be patronyms. In Russian culture, they generally don't use matronyms. And yes, it is indeed common in Russia to refer to individuals whom you are not close with using their surname, similar to Japanese culture.
Re:US boy names that became girl names and vice versa by aakresearch on Monday November 02, 2026 @08:46PM (#50346927)
Only ever heard of matronym use as a joke or very archaic.

Referring with surname only is a hierarchy assertion thing, and somewhat rude - boss would talk down to subordinate like that, or teacher to student. When talking "up" or "sideways", or "down" but without a desire to assert superiority a name+patronymic is usually used, which reflects a respectful distance while not slipping into rudeness or overt familiarity. Sadly, it is mostly disappearing and giving way to Western "name-only".

And then, to emphasize familiarity, some groups adopt way of referring to each other by patronymic only :)

Re:US boy names that became girl names and vice versa by vova_hn2 on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @01:45AM (#50348838)
Patronyms, derived from name Ivan would be Ivanovich/Ivanovna

Generally, -vich suffix is used in masculine form and -vna suffix in feminine form.

Re:US boy names that became girl names and vice versa by dprkh on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @04:53AM (#50350002)
You are right, my bad.
Re:US boy names that became girl names and vice versa by ButlerianJihad on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @02:02AM (#50348946)
In Iceland, patronymics are also gendered and may sound quite familiar: "Björk Guðmundsdóttir" is their most famous example today.

In high school, we referred to our teachers by honorific and surname, and we were also addressed by surname, even by our peers.

When I rewatched the Harry Potter film series this year, I began paying attention to how Harry was addressed. Draco Malfoy called him "Potter". So did many teachers, "Mr Potter". He who must not be named called him "Harry" and many epithets like "the boy who lived". Hagrid and Professor Dumbledore, at least in private, called him "Harry" all the time.

This is especially interesting, because "Potter" is a homophone with the Latin Pater, meaning "Father".