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Re:So I guess everyone uses LLMs to think now by xpct on Sunday November 01, 2026 @06:27PM (#50330996)
Why does that matter? The argument still stands, they are still dumb. We learned some ways to bypass the dumbness and automate some major workflows, and we still see them fail at random things.
Re:So I guess everyone uses LLMs to think now by black_knight on Sunday November 01, 2026 @06:40PM (#50331101)
It matters because they used to be just dumb, but now they are at the same time smart and dumb.

I can work on ideas with LLMs, even within my own area of expertise. They know quite a lot, and can take an idea I have and run with it. I would never trust them to be correct, but if I give them a new idea and ask them to work out details and raise any issues they find, I can quickly evaluate their findings, and take them into account when developing the idea further.

I do not do this on all ideas, not even most. Most of the time it is still me, a sheet of paper or some code. But still, comparing to how it was a year ago, it is night and day!

A year ago I would just close the window after the first reply, shaking my head at its stupidity. I can still get that experience by using anything but Opus 5.5 or Fable. I tried the $20 ChatGPT tier last week and was immediately thrown back to that old annoyance! (I am sure the best OpenAI models are fine)

Re:So I guess everyone uses LLMs to think now by two_handfuls on Sunday November 01, 2026 @06:31PM (#50331026)
They are improving quickly
Re:So I guess everyone uses LLMs to think now by adamddev1 on Sunday November 01, 2026 @06:32PM (#50331041)
But not getting past the forefront of what's known and written by humans, right? (Aside from filling in math proofs by broad searching and brute forcing known lemmas?)
Re:So I guess everyone uses LLMs to think now by sejje on Sunday November 01, 2026 @06:50PM (#50331194)
Peak humans? The best we have to offer?

Or my coworkers?

Re:So I guess everyone uses LLMs to think now by ragequittah on Sunday November 01, 2026 @08:47PM (#50332088)
If $1 million on the line general knowledge question I had to choose between an answer from chatgpt Astra and the answer coming from anyone I know currently (or everyone I know answering if even 1 of them gets it right I win) I'm choosing Astra 10/10 times based on my experience. And I suspect I'd likely leave this game with $10 million.
Re:So I guess everyone uses LLMs to think now by Personability on Monday November 02, 2026 @09:46AM (#50337547)
You either don't know many people or the people you do know aren't that smart. Maybe both.
Re:So I guess everyone uses LLMs to think now by ragequittah on Monday November 02, 2026 @05:02PM (#50344500)
I know people who know lots about their own domain. The instant you go to zoology or niche astronomy or architecture or whatever I have large doubts on the breadth of their knowledge. I do not have my doubts with Astra at all. It'll just search the internet for a good source (or 50) and get the correct answer.
Re:So I guess everyone uses LLMs to think now by adamddev1 on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @03:34AM (#50349523)
Not every answer is on the internet.
Re:So I guess everyone uses LLMs to think now by odshoifsdhfs on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @04:41AM (#50349924)
So, what you are saying is Astra is not really smart, it just has access to the internet while your friends don't.

I'm pretty sure 'Who wants to be a millionaire' and the likes would work very differently if the contestants could search the internet for the answer.

Re:So I guess everyone uses LLMs to think now by 9dev on Sunday November 01, 2026 @06:34PM (#50331052)
It matters the same way saying “solar panels are super expensive” has been historically true not too long ago, but prices have fallen so rapidly it’s simply no longer a correct statement - even if you will occasionally come across an overpriced offer here and there.
Re:So I guess everyone uses LLMs to think now by xpct on Sunday November 01, 2026 @07:05PM (#50331309)
I feel like we're arguing over semantics. What op quoted, referring to what I imagine were things like: confidently running wrong commands, answering something without looking it up, getting stuck on long scripts and not self-correcting all absolutely still happen, so the statement isn't incorrect.

I would also wager that OOP knows LLM limits quite well, and a more interesting discussion would be for why someone perceives LLMs as dumb as opposed to speculating whether they're aware of the frontier or not.

Re:So I guess everyone uses LLMs to think now by 9dev on Monday November 02, 2026 @05:56AM (#50335270)
> confidently running wrong commands, answering something without looking it up, getting stuck on long scripts and not self-correcting all absolutely still happen, so the statement isn't incorrect.

That is just my point though; these things still do happen, but much, much, much fewer than they used to, and this changes massively every month - both due to improvements in the models themselves, but also experience gained from operating them.

Forming an opinion on using agents for software work once, and then treating your experience as the status quo months later thus leads to wrong conclusions. If you give a model a way to evaluate its work in a short, closed feedback loop, you can orchestrate it to build correct systems pretty easily now. That definitely wasn't true even just three months ago.

If, however, you do not actually use this technology regularly, you will not be able to achieve good results, which objectively makes sense and wouldn't be different for any other skill either.

Re:So I guess everyone uses LLMs to think now by smugtrain on Sunday November 01, 2026 @06:32PM (#50331040)
“They are still dumb” “We learned some ways to bypass the dumbness”
Re:So I guess everyone uses LLMs to think now by card_zero on Sunday November 01, 2026 @06:42PM (#50331119)
"We learned some ways to bypass the dumbness" "They are still dumb"