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Re:Nurses Sound Alarm as 'Uber for Nursing' Apps Push to Der... by howunfortunate on Sunday November 01, 2026 @03:20PM (#50329363)
Don't confuse "regulation" with "guild systems".

Taxi drivers were not more "regulated" in any meaningful way, in fact oversight of them was significantly worse than the community-driven Uber rating system (not that that doesn't also have flaws).

Some regulation is bad, some regulation is good. There's basically nothing at all that's good about guild systems and I will celebrate each of them facing open market competition.

Re:Nurses Sound Alarm as 'Uber for Nursing' Apps Push to Der... by noir_lord on Sunday November 01, 2026 @03:32PM (#50329499)
> Taxi drivers were not more "regulated" in any meaningful way, in fact oversight of them was significantly worse than the community-driven Uber rating system (not that that doesn't also have flaws).

You are defaulting to the US here (and I doubt Taxi regulation in the US is that homologous either tbh given the complexity of 50 states and then cities on top of that).

Taking the country I'm most familiar with (the UK), Taxis fall into two categories (only one of which is technically a taxi by law if not convention - Hackney and private hire vehicles) both are licensed in different but similar ways by the licensing authorities (usually the local council but not always), some of those laws go back centuries.

Also worth noting, in the UK Uber does operate under the Private Hire Vehicle laws and does have to comply with applicable licensing same as any other "taxi" (private hire vehicle) operator.

They tried to argue otherwise and lost (at the UK Supreme Court so it's essentially settled case law) so they are classed as a PHV Operator and must ensure they only use a properly licensed PHV vehicle and drivers and can't pull the "but they are independent contractors" card out when it explodes in their faces.

It was a little more nuanced than that. The actual case was about whether a private hire operator accepting a booking had to contract with the customer as principal, rather than merely acting as an agent arranging a contract between the customer and driver (which was essentially Uber's argument).

The (UK) Supreme Court said "nah, it's you, nice try though".

Re:Nurses Sound Alarm as 'Uber for Nursing' Apps Push to Der... by multjoy on Sunday November 01, 2026 @04:18PM (#50329993)
They actually lost thrice - in 2017 TFL pulled their PHV licence because Uber London Limited wasn't considered to be a 'fit and proper person', Uber thought they could brazen it out only to find that TFL is beholden only to the Mayor and they ended up having to come back on bended knee, and then it was further refused in 2019 but returned on appeal - https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Uber-v-T...), which lists significant failings by Uber that they had since remedied.

The third outing with the Supreme Court was about employment rights - were the drivers workers, or genuine independent contractors for whom Uber are merely acting as a booking agent (which the Uber model relies almost entirely on).

The Employment Tribunal, The Employment Appeal Tribunal, The Court of Appeal and finally the Supreme Court all said "nah fam, you ain't fooling nobody" and the original ET was especially scathing:

> It seems to us that the Respondents' general case and the written terms on which they rely do not correspond with the practical reality. The notion that Uber in London is a mosaic of 30,000 small businesses linked by a common 'platform' is to our minds faintly ridiculous. In each case the 'business' consists of a man with a car seeking to make a living by driving it.

Re:Nurses Sound Alarm as 'Uber for Nursing' Apps Push to Der... by noir_lord on Sunday November 01, 2026 @04:22PM (#50330032)
Aye, it's been interesting (by which I mean highly entertaining) to watch them run face first into the pole repeatedly since their attitude of "We got away with this elsewhere" worked until it didn't.
Re:Nurses Sound Alarm as 'Uber for Nursing' Apps Push to Der... by Normal_gaussian on Sunday November 01, 2026 @07:21PM (#50331435)
They did get away with it in London. They broke laws, argued unfaithfully in court, got denied a license, got an extended probationary period from a magistrate, and finally are operating in the clear.

Very very few other businesses get to act so brazenly and dangerously, then get an extended period of time and support to do the bare minimum to qualify as compliant.

Re:Nurses Sound Alarm as 'Uber for Nursing' Apps Push to Der... by Gareth321 on Monday November 02, 2026 @01:57AM (#50333867)
I think it's fair to say regulation existed and exists in the West for taxi drivers. I understand their point to be the degree. I've taken many taxis in the UK and prior to Uber, the experience sucked outside of a black cab (which are very expensive). Ditto for New Zealand, Australia, Italy, France, Greece, etc. I'm lucky to be well travelled and I can say that sentiment for taxi drivers was terrible prior to Uber. Regulation existed, but that didn't stop drivers from being terrible in many ways.

Uber made it very clear who the terrible drivers were. It turned it into a real service industry where good service was expected. Suddenly scammers couldn't hide behind anonymity. To this day I would rather pay 2x as much for an Uber than take a regular taxi. That's how much they sucked.

Re:Nurses Sound Alarm as 'Uber for Nursing' Apps Push to Der... by hackingonempty on Sunday November 01, 2026 @03:30PM (#50329477)
> Taxi drivers were not more "regulated" in any meaningful way, in fact oversight of them was significantly worse than the community-driven Uber rating system (not that that doesn't also have flaws).

Taxis have standardized rates set by the municipality and use standardized meters that are periodically inspected. Ride sharing apps have dynamic pricing and no transparency.

Re:Nurses Sound Alarm as 'Uber for Nursing' Apps Push to Der... by nradov on Sunday November 01, 2026 @03:32PM (#50329508)
Taxis have (almost) no transparency. Outside of a few limited places where there are fixed fees for certain routes, you never know how much you're going to have to pay when you get in. With ride share apps the pricing is upfront and transparent.
Re:Nurses Sound Alarm as 'Uber for Nursing' Apps Push to Der... by sillyfluke on Monday November 02, 2026 @09:45AM (#50337531)
>ride share apps the pricing is upfront

In certain cases the literal definition of "upfront" is practically useless. You can check the price of a ride app before your flight and by the time you land it can double. This never happen(s/ed) with taxis. Alleged surge pricing is not transparent. After eliminating taxis, ride app companies create duopolies that can arbitrarily increase ride prices and lobby more effectively against worker rights.

Re:Nurses Sound Alarm as 'Uber for Nursing' Apps Push to Der... by pseudo0 on Sunday November 01, 2026 @03:56PM (#50329781)
Except when the "meter is broken" or they take the scenic route. My grandmother with dementia routinely got charged double or triple the expected rate for trips to medical appointments, until we figured out what was going on and started booking her rideshares.
Re:Nurses Sound Alarm as 'Uber for Nursing' Apps Push to Der... by Ccecil on Sunday November 01, 2026 @04:24PM (#50330053)
Just curious what happens if there is a major event going on in the proximity of one of the doctors appointments?

It could turn out to be 2-3x the "normal" cost due to surge pricing. This often happens to people who go out drinking and think "I'll just grab an Uber later".

Recently heard someone complaining about the $45 cost to go 3 miles.

*Sidenote: people with dementia should probably have someone in the car with them to be sure they get to the appointments. That solves the issue of shady people taking advantage of them for the most part.

Re:Nurses Sound Alarm as 'Uber for Nursing' Apps Push to Der... by pseudo0 on Sunday November 01, 2026 @04:33PM (#50330133)
To clarify I was referring to her getting upcharged by unscrupulous taxi drivers, not rideshares. Rideshares were an improvement since we could book her a ride with a known up-front cost, and get pick-up/ drop-off notifications.

> *Sidenote: people with dementia should probably have someone in the car with them to be sure they get to the appointments. That solves the issue of shady people taking advantage of them for the most part.

Her dementia was still fairly mild at that point, she could easily manage taking a taxi from A to B, she just wouldn't push back if the guy said it was $30 when it should have been $10. It's tricky to figure out the right supports and boundaries at that stage, especially for elderly people used to being self-sufficient. Convincing her to stop driving was hard enough...

Re:Nurses Sound Alarm as 'Uber for Nursing' Apps Push to Der... by Ccecil on Sunday November 01, 2026 @04:49PM (#50330254)
>To clarify I was referring to her getting upcharged by unscrupulous taxi drivers, not rideshares. Rideshares were an improvement since we could book her a ride with a known up-front cost, and get pick-up/ drop-off notifications.

Understood, IMHO...it is easier to find a reputable taxi company than it is to predict surge pricing. Or at least it used to be when you had a choice.

Re:Nurses Sound Alarm as 'Uber for Nursing' Apps Push to Der... by kilian_a on Monday November 02, 2026 @03:50AM (#50334480)
I once had a 6 foot 7 taxi driver in Croatia try to shake me down for twice the agreed amount of cash. He tried to take away my phone and force me physically to give him more money. I had no information on him or desire to stay longer to press charges and waste my vacation.

I got a fond appreciation of uber and other marketplaces that provide accountability using technology ever since.