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Re:Surviving "The Graduate" by ViktorRay on Sunday November 01, 2026 @12:32PM (#50327697)
I don’t understand some of the things he’s writing in this article.

Why does it matter if the author is Jewish? He mentions it multiple times as if that fact would make himself unfitting to be the lead in the movie…

Like there’s this sentence which is confusing to me:

”I remember thinking, They’re trying to take the Jew off my face, and it ain’t going to happen. All I wanted to do was go home, to ethnic New York, where I belonged. I knew I was no leading man. I knew my place.”

This is very confusing to me. I don’t understand where the author is coming from.

There’s even this part:

”“You’re saying you’re not right for it because you’re Jewish,” Mike said. “Well, because Benjamin’s so not Jewish.” There was a pause. Then Mike said, “Maybe he’s Jewish inside.””

What the heck does any of this mean? Jewish inside? What?

Re:Surviving "The Graduate" by toast0 on Sunday November 01, 2026 @01:14PM (#50328105)
> Why does it matter if the author is Jewish? He mentions it multiple times as if that fact would make himself unfitting to be the lead in the movie…

Perception on this has shifted quite a bit. Today, I don't know that this would be an issue (but maybe I'm wrong). In the early days of Hollywood, Jewish people tended to work behind the scenes and not as leading characters. In the 1960s things were changing.

Re:Surviving "The Graduate" by gopher_space on Sunday November 01, 2026 @03:57PM (#50329796)
> Perception on this has shifted quite a bit.

Media or events from outside your living memory need an annotated guide providing context if you want to reason about them.

We watched The Bad Seed in class and spent some time talking about the drinks cart as a plot point until it was explained to us that people actually drank that much.

Re:Surviving "The Graduate" by woodruffw on Sunday November 01, 2026 @04:54PM (#50330317)
As Hoffman points out, he looks ethnic, i.e. Jewish. He's pointing out that, in the 1960s, someone who looks like him would absolutely not be named "Benjamin Braddock" or live the kind of stereotypical WASP-y California life depicted in the film. In that sense, he's an unconventional casting choice for the character.

> What the heck does any of this mean? Jewish inside? What?

Nichols is saying that he's made an intentional decision to re-characterize Braddock's character using more stereotypically Jewish qualities. Hoffman's portrayal is anxious and alienated, and this has special resonance with a Jewish audience (particularly in the 1960s) watching a movie that's facially a drama-comedy about polite, WASPy society.

Re:Surviving "The Graduate" by ViktorRay on Sunday November 01, 2026 @07:08PM (#50331333)
I don’t understand this though. How can someone “look Jewish”? And why would someone “who looks like him” not be able to live the upscale California life?

I took a look at a young Dustin Hoffman on Google Images. He looks like a regular white dude with black hair? Somewhat similar to Al Pacino (who isn’t Jewish).

Re:Surviving "The Graduate" by woodruffw on Sunday November 01, 2026 @07:21PM (#50331436)
The same way someone can look like any ethnic group: there's some genetics, and a much larger heap of stereotypes.

> And why would someone “who looks like him” not be able to live the upscale California life?

It takes place in the 1960s. At that point, American Jews were not as fully assimilated into broader white American culture. That has changed quite a bit in the last 60 years.

(This is a trope from the period, and applies to other groups as well. The wedding scene in The Godfather has a similar message behind it.)

> Somewhat similar to Al Pacino (who isn’t Jewish).

Italians and Jews often look similar because Ashenazim (European Jews) are mostly Southern European i.e. Italian in their admixture[1].

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews#Genetics

Re:Surviving "The Graduate" by ViktorRay on Sunday November 01, 2026 @07:27PM (#50331477)
I think maybe the confusion is that I’m an American of South Asian descent. My parents immigrated to the United States a few decades ago from South Asia. To me all these people just look like white people and I can’t really tell how they would look ethnic or different aside from maybe hair color. But plenty of British people like James Bond actors also have black hair. But maybe they look distinct to other white people I don’t know.

Anyway this is all pretty interesting. Thanks for taking the time to write those responses. I may not fully understand what’s going on with this article but I do feel like I know more than I did a few hours ago.

Re:Surviving "The Graduate" by woodruffw on Sunday November 01, 2026 @07:52PM (#50331670)
No problem! I think it's actually pretty funny/interesting how these classifications, which are ultimately mostly socialized/arbitrary, shift over time. These days, there's certainly much less cultural salience to Nichols' executive choices in the film.
Re:Surviving "The Graduate" by YZF on Sunday November 01, 2026 @09:26PM (#50332390)
That makes perfect sense. It's all a question of what things you attuned to. To you they all look the same but to others not. Jews in the US faced a lot of discrimination. Even into the 1970's you'd find things like housing complexes that would not accept Jewish people. Country clubs that would not accept Jewish people. In the 1950's and 1960's universities would have "quotas" for Jews. Even up to the 1990's (and maybe even today) there were clubs and groups that discriminated against Jews. Ethnic Jews are somewhat genetically distinct and so do have somewhat different "looks". It can be minor stuff to you, certainly not as large differences as between people with an "asian" look and "white" (and what you consider "white" is probably different than what some other people consider "white).
Re:Surviving "The Graduate" by toast0 on Sunday November 01, 2026 @09:45PM (#50332531)
> I think maybe the confusion is that I’m an American of South Asian descent. My parents immigrated to the United States a few decades ago from South Asia. To me all these people just look like white people and I can’t really tell how they would look ethnic or different aside from maybe hair color.

Yeah, I can understand the confusion from your perspective. You don't have the context. The US has a broad history of discrimination.

In 2026, there's a lot less. In the 1960s it was still common for country clubs (fancy golf courses and social clubs, more or less) to prohibit Jewish people from joining; this was an issue at some clubs even into the 1990s.

(Since you brought up Italians), Italians were also discriminated against in the US, but more in the 1800s and early 1900s; by the 1960s, Italians were largely integrated, although as many were/are Catholic, they would be excluded from 'WASP' - White Anglo Saxon Protestant. Around the same time that Italians faced a lot of discrimination, Irish did too, as they were also largely Catholic.

If you're familiar with redlining as a discrimination practice, to give you an idea of popular discrimination targets, Wikipedia says:

> Redlining has mostly been directed against African Americans, as well as Mexican Americans in the Southwestern United States, Jewish Americans, and Italian Americans

But that's not an exclusive list of discrimantion targets, just those that were large enough to target when home lending started getting more organized.

You also had racial covenants prohibiting selling land to non-whites, where that would exclude African Americans, most Asians, often Jewish people, maybe Hispanics and Italians and Irish. Those were made void in 1968, but it takes time and effort to remove them from deeds, so you might run into them.