Arduino AVR is helping people get into hardware.

Raspberry pi is helping people build cheap netflix settop boxes.

edit: maybe I'm jaded. We've got about 4 totally idle raspis at our hackerspace that have been donated by people who have no idea what to do with them, but bought them anyway.

Yet, our stack of arduinos get use constantly.

I'd agree with that, based on my own personal experience. Of the several people I know who have them, half have no clue what to do with it, and the other half are using them as tiny media centres. There's definitely not much hardware hacking going on.

And I can understand it, to be honest. I can't think of a good use for one that isn't already covered ably by some other computer I have. Media centre? Xbox plus external hard-disk does the job. Small *nix box? Better off using my MacBook -- it's got everything built-in.

The best idea I came up with was a mini backup server connected to my router that pulls power from its spare USB port, but even then, it's easier just to plug in an external HD once in a while, or dump things onto one of the SD cards I have in rotation.

That's hardware hacking.

In reality, those of us who don't bring a pickaxe and a carbide lamp to work are just "systems integrators" anyway. Attitudes and titles don't pay the bills.

Most of the value in the pi is the video decoder. So, that's the types of projects it gets used for.

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The HDMI port on mine has never been touched. I'm using it right now to control my roomba though its SCI interface. An uno with a wifi shield costs way more than a Raspberry Pi with a usb wifi dongle. Unless you need more GPIO pins or lower power consumption, Pis just make more sense.

I am glad I don't go to your hacker space, that is a pretty unnecessarily nasty attitude.

500ma is a problem. The fact that you can't easily run it off of a battery without buying additional [expensive] hardware is a problem.

Nasty attitude? If you're telling people that a raspi is a good intro to embedded electronics, then you're harming their development.

This isn't even what the raspberry pi was intended for. It was intended as a cheap machine to introduce people to programming with. For that, it's awesome, but I have yet to see anybody actually use it for that.

And yes, the power is not a concern for everybody under the sun.

So in short, development is easier and more flexible (obviously), peripherals are cheaper (for the difference between the usb adapter I got for my Pi and a wifi shield from sparkfun, I would have $75 left over for an "expensive" PSU for a Pi... I mean come on... At least with the Pi you have the option of just using ethernet if you want to be cheap, with an arduino that will still set you back more than the price of a Pi), and the devices themselves are more flexible (get tired of your project for some reason? No problem, just ducttape it to the back of your TV and use it as a media-pc whatever.).

Downsides are... worse GPIO and you need to feed it 500mA. Wow. Anyone who does not find that daunting is surely an idiot.

Nasty attitudes have harmed peoples' development far more than $35 computers ever have. Your vitriol is baffling, how could something so minor evoke this? How have raspberry pis really wronged you?

And who says that embedded hardware must run off a battery? You're sure one to talk about stupidity.

Yes it uses more power, but for many applications, that doesn't matter.

If your device needs a web server, you're probably not just starting to learn about embedded electronics.

If you want to learn about web servers, do that, if you want to learn about embedded electronics, get an arduino.

Next time you spend $25 for an ATmega32, remember what you called those other people.

Try and pop the ARM chip off of your raspi and see how it works out.

For ARM, I prefer to solder my own LQFP at about $7. http://twitpic.com/btvkmd

You're right though, someday I'd love to be able to transplant BGA packages.

It can be done. Surface tension is a wonderful thing.

My son (6) got his pi as his first computer, we built a lego case for it and he gets excited everytime he connects peripherals. It may not be hw hacking for us, but it is for little folks.