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Re:Your Minimum Viable Product is Processing Credit Cards by lotsofpulp on Wednesday January 09, 2013 @10:24AM (#5031914)
Using a credit card does not mean you have to pay interest. Buying something with a credit card is a 0% loan for 30 to 45 days. You can pay off any or all of your credit card balance within that time and not be charged a cent in interest.

Here's the kicker: In the US, if you don't buy with a credit card that earns you "rewards", then you are subsidizing those who do use credit cards with rewards. The reason is because many credit cards give around 1%-3% back, but the prices for everything remain the same regardless of whether or not you pay with a credit card that gets you rewards. As a result, built into the cost of nearly everything, is the cost of providing the airline miles, points, or cash back rewards.

On top of this, credit cards provide you with protection because you can dispute charges, and if someone fraudulently uses it, you do not lose that money immediately. Also, some cards (like American Express) provide 1 year of extra warranty for anything you buy.

TL;DR It's better to buy with a credit card, it costs nothing (individually), and you get benefits. There is a cost to society (everything costs a few % more), but I don't see that changing anytime soon.

Re:Your Minimum Viable Product is Processing Credit Cards by clarky07 on Wednesday January 09, 2013 @11:23AM (#5032254)
I agree with everything you said, but you do have to be careful with this. There are many studies that suggest we tend to spend more using credit cards than we otherwise would. Up to 18%. Spending 18% to save 3% doesn't work. Just a note of caution. If you are disciplined he is definitely right. But I've never had the answer to how did you get rich be "it was the airline miles"
Re:Your Minimum Viable Product is Processing Credit Cards by clauretano on Wednesday January 09, 2013 @04:04PM (#5033500)
Unfortunately, those same studies (you're referencing a Dun & Bradstreet study with that 18%) show that debit cards with a VISA/MasterCard logo on them increase spending just as much. It's all about the lack of transparency, i.e. it hurts less to pay with plastic.

I can't find an actual link to that study, unfortunately, but here's an article based on the info in that DNB study: http://seekingalpha.com/article/20333-guide-to-credit-cards-...

Re:Your Minimum Viable Product is Processing Credit Cards by clarky07 on Thursday January 10, 2013 @12:41AM (#5035667)
That is unfortunate, but I never said you should use debit instead. Though if I remember correctly the study suggest that debit spends more than cash, but less than credit.

FWIW I use a debit card most of the time because it is much more convenient than cash with the knowledge that I am spending more than I otherwise would.

Re:Your Minimum Viable Product is Processing Credit Cards by manveru on Wednesday January 09, 2013 @07:35PM (#5034528)
Nice. I always withdraw at a bank and pay cash anyway, this being rural Germany, there's not a whole lot of places that take a credit card.
Re:Your Minimum Viable Product is Processing Credit Cards by bjelkeman-again on Thursday January 10, 2013 @04:37AM (#5036164)
In Europe I don't think this holds true. In several countries there are many shops which will not take credit cards, but only bank cards which have a lower cost to them. The whole Dutch rail system for example excludes the purchase of tickets with credit cards.

But more importantly may be that this 1-3% that you "gain" is all lost by getting used to the idea of credit and spending too much and getting in to very costly debt.

In the US the average is US$ 7,194.[1] Significantly higher than in the UK, US5,082 (£3,175). [2] Which is higher than the average for the EU US$ 2,495 (£1,558) (somewhat old EU/UK data, but the general point I think holds.)

[1] http://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/credit-card-data/average-cred... [2] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/5380718.stm

Re:Your Minimum Viable Product is Processing Credit Cards by pravda on Wednesday January 09, 2013 @11:49PM (#5035493)
TL;DR It's better to buy with a credit card, it costs nothing (individually), and you get benefits. There is a cost to society (everything costs a few % more), but I don't see that changing anytime soon.

No, no ... no. The cost is not to "society", the cost is to merchants. They just earn less profit. (Think about it, if the cost wasn't to the merchants, they wouldn't care about credit card fees).

What cards are giving over 1% back? I noticed some other commenters talking about 2%. I just get 1% + the occasional special 3% promotion.

Re:Your Minimum Viable Product is Processing Credit Cards by Firehed on Thursday January 10, 2013 @01:20AM (#5035769)
Merchants charge more to make up for the thinner margins on credit card transactions.

As for what cards have higher payout... here's a list I made so I know which card to use where:

# Amazon * 3x amazon.com * 2x gas * 2x restaurant * 2x office supply * 2x drugstore

# Chase Sapphire * 2x travel * 2x dining * travel bonus booked via ultimate rewards * no intl fees

# Discover (open road - apparently no longer offered?) * 2x gas * 2x restaurant

# Citi Forward * 5x restaurants * 5x entertainment * 1 point ~ $0.008

# Virgin * 3x virginamerica.com * 1 point ~ $0.024 towards flights

I also have an AmEx (blue) which has utterly crap rewards. I use it only for Costco and some electronics to get the extended warranty they provide. Other AmEx cards have much better payout.

So basically I use the Citi Forward any time I go out to eat, bars, bookstores, etc. While the points are worth only about 80% of most points, the multiplier more than makes up for it. Incidentally because Amazon is classified as a bookstore, it actually has a better return than the Chase Amazon.com card. If I'm buying anything that doesn't have an actual multiplier (which is fairly rare; most of my purchases are restaurants and Amazon) I put it on the virgin card since the points are worth over 2x what other points are worth - typical of most airline cards.

Re:Your Minimum Viable Product is Processing Credit Cards by tg3 on Thursday January 10, 2013 @01:23AM (#5035778)
The cost to the merchants is then passed on to the customers through higher prices (which they can stand because they're earning so many rewards!). Sure, the merchants would like to get rid of fees, but that would only provide them a short-term gain. Over the long term, their prices would come down to compensate for their lower cost of goods sold.
Re:Your Minimum Viable Product is Processing Credit Cards by pravda on Thursday January 10, 2013 @02:39AM (#5035955)
Nope. Doesn't work that way. Don't get me wrong, I think merchant processing fees are outrageously high, and that merchants should be allowed to add a few percent for payment with credit cards, in order to encourage cash/debit card payment.

Australia limited interchange fees around 2003 (cut them in half), and as would be expected, merchants did not lower prices.

"Interchange fees are paid by the merchant, and there have been studies done in Australia that said that consumers have not saved a penny by lowering interchange rates — that the merchants have not reduced prices at all."