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Re:Through Captain Jean-Luc Picard, Patrick Stewart taught u... by Lerc on Friday October 30, 2026 @07:53PM (#50311696)
if you look at https://github.com/dbreunig/nesformer

It's obvious a LLM can do anything a computer can do.

As an answer to "Why would LLMs exhibit sentience?"

It is because that would mean that no algorithm could exhibit sentience, claiming that would require some causal action that cannot be performed by an algorithm to create sentience. Some people like to point to quantum effects, but that would require the cause of sentience to be pure randomness. That seems even less plausible. Absent of any evidence that human brains are doing something that no algorithm could do, it would be reasonable to assume that sentience could be algorithmically obtained.

Re:Through Captain Jean-Luc Picard, Patrick Stewart taught u... by fwip on Friday October 30, 2026 @08:55PM (#50312150)
"Sentience could be algorithmically obtained" is a much weaker claim than "LLMs are almost sentient."

We've had computers that can do anything computers can do for as long as we've had computers.

Re:Through Captain Jean-Luc Picard, Patrick Stewart taught u... by Lerc on Saturday October 31, 2026 @02:46AM (#50313807)
The claim has never been LLMs are almost sentient. The claim has always been LLMs might be capable of sentience. You can make a trivial tiny LLM that is clearly not sentient.

I was addressing the argument that something is not sentient because it is a LLM. That requires all LLMs to be non-sentient, and by extension, since LLMs can do all algorithims, all algorithms must not be sentient.

Re:Through Captain Jean-Luc Picard, Patrick Stewart taught u... by fwip on Saturday October 31, 2026 @08:38AM (#50315611)
> We are very close though.

Seems like the claim is that they're almost there. Anyways, have a nice day, and Happy Halloween if you celebrate.

Re:Through Captain Jean-Luc Picard, Patrick Stewart taught u... by Lerc on Saturday October 31, 2026 @12:22PM (#50317529)
I believe that is a claim made in the time domain rather than the capability domain.

Obviously claims of the future are going to be speculative.

I don't think anyone credible is claiming to know the extent to which models that exist today are sentient. People have stated their opinions on what they might be.

There are a few non serious claims, but I'm not hedging too much with the conditional of credible. There's probably someone out there who would claim LLMs are made of milk. I'm limiting credible to researchers in the field, who have divergent beliefs on what might be happening, but are generally in agreement of what we know is happening.

Re:Through Captain Jean-Luc Picard, Patrick Stewart taught u... by hardbass on Saturday October 31, 2026 @09:11AM (#50315885)
And Turing computability covers all of known physics.
Re:Through Captain Jean-Luc Picard, Patrick Stewart taught u... by jacquesm on Friday October 30, 2026 @11:58PM (#50313074)
To argue this you have to prove the opposite: that consciousness is an algorithm. Not that an algorithm can simulate consciousness, that's a far easier task.
Re:Through Captain Jean-Luc Picard, Patrick Stewart taught u... by Lerc on Saturday October 31, 2026 @02:53AM (#50313827)
This isn't an argument to say that algorithms must be capable of consciousness, or that all Consciousness must be algorithms. It is an argument to show the consequence of declaring that LLMs are not capable of consciousness is to claim no computer is.
Re:Through Captain Jean-Luc Picard, Patrick Stewart taught u... by hardbass on Saturday October 31, 2026 @09:08AM (#50315859)
All of known physics is a Turing computer, so yes. Its already proven as far as we know. Its on you to prove algorithms cannot be conscious, since human brains already are.
Re:Through Captain Jean-Luc Picard, Patrick Stewart taught u... by Lerc on Saturday October 31, 2026 @12:05PM (#50317400)
I don't believe this is true. Physics, as it is known to us, has uncaused random events.

They follow a probability, so you can simulate a universe that is compatible with the same rules and get a different result. This is essentially one of the arguments for a many worlds theory.

Re:Through Captain Jean-Luc Picard, Patrick Stewart taught u... by hardbass on Saturday October 31, 2026 @12:48PM (#50317777)
As far as I am aware, it only requires a probabilistic Turing machine, which is the same as a normal Turing machine (or a quantum computer) in terms of what it can compute.

Ultra precise simulation like that isn't in any case necessary, after all humans can create humans without needing 40 digit decimal places. Or create cars or computers etc without simulating everything down to each electron.

Re:Through Captain Jean-Luc Picard, Patrick Stewart taught u... by hardbass on Saturday October 31, 2026 @09:09AM (#50315865)
Quantum physics is also Turing computable and therefore an algorithm.