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Re:Apple broke an essential presentation feature of iPads by jyunwai on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @10:35AM (#50167091)
I had to use an iPad with the Magic Keyboard as a laptop replacement for a week, since my only laptop (MacBook) was in repair for that time.

I really, really, really missed having an actual laptop. I lost the ability to:

* Listen to music while watching a video (iPadOS does not allow multiple audio sources at once; playing a YouTube video while playing a song on Apple Music wasn't allowed)

* Quickly edit photos (I had 400 GB+ photos to cull/cut down; Lightroom for iPad required me to transfer photos to internal storage before culling to upload to cloud storage first, and I didn't have enough room; and specialized software for culling on the iPad equivalent to FastRawViewer that may or may not have worked all had a subscription fee)

* Easily search for files (Files search was far slower and unreliable, especially with files split between OneDrive, iCloud Drive, and Google Drive), and manage files in general

* Edit videos with the features I needed (Premiere Pro lacked features on iPad and other video editor alternatives had no iPad equivalents), or simply easily edit videos due to friction in file management

* Use video-recording software like OBS to record a presentation

* Use all features of flashcard software named Anki; I could not export individual decks or use other features (desktop-only feature; the iOS and browser versions did not have this)

* Easily manage and resize having multiple windows on the screen at once (a two-second window arrangement took 10+ seconds, with constant hold-and-dragging and precise dragging at specific changing corners required)

* Quickly and easily extract text from images for translation elsewhere (which added difficulties for language learning)

* Run certain internet browser extensions

* Compile and edit source code for software

And so on. I'll grant that many users won't need many of these features. But at the very least, the ability to find files and manage windows is essential, yet it's still so cumbersome with iPads versus laptops years after the first iPadOS release.

I fundamentally think that computers should work for you, and you shouldn't need to change your habits and workflow due to OS limitations (losing the ability to simply listen to music while watching a video was the biggest one for me). Yet I ran into so many walls with the iPad.

Re:Apple broke an essential presentation feature of iPads by Grombobulous on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @12:29PM (#50168890)
This is a lot different from the core concept whether or not the iPad is suitable for a large general purpose set of tasks. I recognize that there are things in your workflow that the iPad was not ideal for, but a lot of these points come down to user preference rather than an ability or inability to do something.

I could complain about a Windows machine messing up my habits simply because Copy and Paste uses CTRL instead of CMD. Even if I have that complaint and it legitimately messes with my habits, that Windows machine still has that capability and it functions, so whether or not I like their implementation is a matter of personal preference and not an indictment of the fundamental capabilities of the OS.

I could easily make a list just like yours of things that don't work well on a Windows/Mac/Linux system that work great on iPad. Illustrating sucks on those platforms compared to using Procreate on iPad. They aren't good for scanning QR codes, barcodes, using front and rear cameras (FaceTime). They are bad at being held with 1 hand or being used with cellular connectivity. Making a list like this doesn't mean that Mac/Windows/Linux systems aren't suitable for general purpose computing, it just means that each platform has its own strengths.

There are also some potential issues with some of the line items you have here:

- Multiple audio playback is actually possible, but the app developer has to implement background playback. Apple is providing the functionality, it's not really their fault that developers don't use it. (e.g., Flacbox allows this exact use case)

- There are alternative apps you can use to search your iOS/iPadOS device (e.g., easySearch). Do we not complain about bad search on desktop OSes like Windows too? I was just on an HN thread recently where a commenter mentioned how Spotlight on macOS sucks.

- Edit videos with the features you need: this has nothing to do with the underlying OS, this has a lot more to do with the software published to the OS. We could similarly criticize Windows for not having Final Cut Pro or Linux for not having Adobe Premiere but that doesn't mean those systems aren't capable of running that type of software.

- There are definitely ways to record presentations on iPad. They aren't as flexible as OBS, but if your goal is to record a presentation, it can definitely be done. I would guess that most people doing that specific task are likely to do that via Teams, Zoom, or Google Meet rather than setting up OBS, even on desktop systems.

- I'm not sure what you mean about the inability to quickly extract text from images, this is a built-in feature of the iPadOS that works identically to macOS.

- The limitations of iPadOS and iOS browsers are well known, but it does have extension support and so this again becomes a question of software library rather than underlying capability.

Re:Apple broke an essential presentation feature of iPads by everdrive on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @02:13PM (#50170367)
>They aren't good for scanning QR codes

But QR codes shouldn't even exist.

Re:Apple broke an essential presentation feature of iPads by Grombobulous on Wednesday October 21, 2026 @08:20AM (#50179685)
I will call up Amazon, UPS, and my local car manufacturing plant and tell them to stop using them.
Re:Apple broke an essential presentation feature of iPads by bigyabai on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @02:45PM (#50170818)
> Illustrating sucks on those platforms [...] They aren't good for scanning QR codes [...] They are bad at being held with 1 hand or being used with cellular connectivity

All of these are form-factor complaints. macOS, Linux and Windows all support every single feature you just listed, it's just that people don't buy hardware providing it. Conversely, the iPad has these hardware features, but is widely criticized for only supporting an OS that is markedly less-capable than macOS. iPadOS is a derelict wasteland lacking USB class-compliant hardware drivers, basic graphics APIs and any of the escape hatches that macOS offers to power users.

I just can't see how anyone can make this argument in good-faith. It is consensus that iPads are less capable than Macs, and most people will blame the iPad software more than the hardware. iPads are artificially restrained by a weak, incapable OS that prevents the hardware from cannibalizing Mac sales. iPads might win on a convenience factor, but they will always lose when comparing capabilities. It could be argued that iPadOS has a grand total of zero redeeming features.

Re:Apple broke an essential presentation feature of iPads by Grombobulous on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @11:14PM (#50175644)
Recall that the root comment claims the iPad is not suitable for any task. You state a similar sentiment by saying it could be argued it has zero redeeming features.

These are just blatant objectively false statements, and annoying forms of techno-elitism. We can play ball if we want to talk about the iPad having compromises or limitations, but y'all act like the iPad is the spawn of Satan.

Re:Apple broke an essential presentation feature of iPads by jyunwai on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @05:03PM (#50172633)
For text extraction: on my MacBook, I can take a screenshot of some text with a keyboard shortcut (Cmd+Shift+4, then drag the selector with the mouse), unobtrusively clip the targeted part of the screen, select all (Cmd+A), and copy to clipboard (Cmd+C).

On my iPad, it theoretically works the same, but the workflow differs when I take the screenshot. The screen gets filled entirely by the new screenshot interface instead of keeping to a small window that keeps other windows in view (like on MacOS), and often, text selection just doesn’t work on the iPad until I crop the screenshot further to just the text (versus working reliably on MacOS). So, it’s fiddly and takes a lot of time.

On the MacBook, I could even install free third-party software to skip a couple steps (Cmd+A, Cmd+C) and immediately save any text in the selection to my clipboard.

And that is the core of the issue for me. For the actual person using the device to get something done, many of the tasks I detailed are not possible to complete on the iPad as it is today, due to limitations on what I can install.

I would be happy if I could at least dual boot to another OS or run a virtual machine (even if touch becomes disabled) so I can install more software tools, as the hardware capability is there for the iPad. On Linux, at least I can run a Windows virtual machine to run Adobe Premiere Pro (or dual boot with Windows), but I cannot fully use the hardware of an iPad with the way its operating system is currently designed.

Re:Apple broke an essential presentation feature of iPads by Grombobulous on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @10:49PM (#50175477)
Maybe you just need to learn how to use the system more effectively?

Take the screenshot > hit the checkbox > save to photos > open photos app > choose the first photo > select the text.

I guess it’s true that there is a lack of overlapping windows but other than that this process is very quick with very few button presses.

Re:Apple broke an essential presentation feature of iPads by jyunwai on Wednesday October 21, 2026 @01:15AM (#50176346)
That task needed a good number of screenshots a minute. I can get each extraction done with a single keyboard shortcut and selection on a laptop, versus... that a few dozen times. It works okay for a one-off, but there's value in enabling quick non-OS-native solutions to make work easier.

The situation should dictate the solution as decided by the user, instead of the OS dictating a solution and limiting options regardless of the situation.

Re:Apple broke an essential presentation feature of iPads by Grombobulous on Wednesday October 21, 2026 @08:11AM (#50179586)
You can just batch the screenshots and then switch to the photos app for the extraction. I’m still failing to see the problem.

The iPad can use apps in multiple floating windows, there’s no difference here. You don’t have to switch back and forth between apps.

You can even use a keyboard and mouse and the same copy paste keyboard shortcuts if you really want.

And I’m sure there are apps on the App Store to help this workflow in some way. The iPad isn’t some static device where you’re stuck with the software it comes with.

Re:Apple broke an essential presentation feature of iPads by mrkn1 on Wednesday October 21, 2026 @11:26AM (#50182634)
Theres a CLI tool for this gap. textsnap on github runs OCR locally/offline, with no arg it reads an image from clipboard and copies the extracted text back to it. Might not solve the App Store install restriction, but could cut the friction if you can get it running via something like iSH or a Linux vm
Re:Apple broke an essential presentation feature of iPads by mrheosuper on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @10:55PM (#50175531)
>Multiple audio playback is actually possible, but the app developer has to implement background playback.

Why does app have to support it when the OS is perfectly capable of doing this ?

Re:Apple broke an essential presentation feature of iPads by Grombobulous on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @11:25PM (#50175700)
We can’t blame the designer of the OS for developers refusing to use their provided APIs.

This situation is identical to when Electron desktop apps that ignore the native menu bars and UI elements. How about all the AI harnesses that refuse to act like a normal posix app where you can pipe and redirect output and all that.

It’s not like desktop operating systems are immune from the same issues of applications violating the design principles of the OS.

Re:Apple broke an essential presentation feature of iPads by mrheosuper on Wednesday October 21, 2026 @12:10AM (#50175988)
What next, give API for program to do thread scheduling and context switching ?
Re:Apple broke an essential presentation feature of iPads by Grombobulous on Wednesday October 21, 2026 @08:16AM (#50179634)
I mean, maybe? It seems like the iPad performs admirably on 6GB of RAM, with the previous iPad using 4GB of RAM and still supported by iOS 27, do you know of any desktop PC like that?

Maybe a platform where the developers have to do a little more work to keep the OS smooth and performant isn’t such a bad thing.

Re:Apple broke an essential presentation feature of iPads by mrheosuper on Wednesday October 21, 2026 @11:38AM (#50182822)
My linux t420 still run perfectly fine after 15 years, the only complaint is the shitty screen
Re:Apple broke an essential presentation feature of iPads by Grombobulous on Wednesday October 21, 2026 @12:30PM (#50183664)
Driving a higher resolution screen is both GPU and RAM intensive…

I am guessing your T420 would lose a bootup/web browsing/app launch test against even an old iPad.