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Re:DeepSeek: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash 1017 by LPisGood on Saturday October 17, 2026 @09:56AM (#50131227)
What if those “cost implications” are just asking Opus 6.7 to fix whatever issue cropped up?
Re:DeepSeek: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash 1017 by TuringTest on Saturday October 17, 2026 @11:10AM (#50131820)
In complex systems, issues keep piling up faster than you can fix them.
Re:DeepSeek: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash 1017 by fn-mote on Saturday October 17, 2026 @01:04PM (#50132861)
Exactly.

In a way, that’s the situation today. You can pay an experienced developer $$$$ to do it right, or you can outsource it and pay $$ but pay extra for more layers of review, have lots of unfixed bugs and more tech debt.

You are proposing that instead we pay the frontier model to clean it up. If it can, I expect it to cost somewhere in the neighborhood of an experienced dev because that’s the alternative. That’s the way the frontier AI companies will extracting the value of the work from you.

Re:DeepSeek: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash 1017 by hazard on Saturday October 17, 2026 @02:47PM (#50133848)
> I expect it to cost somewhere in the neighborhood of an experienced dev because that’s the alternative

But there's two ways this could be true: Frontier models costs rise, or (more likely) experience dev costs fall

Re:DeepSeek: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash 1017 by anukin on Saturday October 17, 2026 @05:04PM (#50135113)
Opus on enterprise pricing is not exactly cheap.
Re:DeepSeek: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash 1017 by dash2 on Sunday October 18, 2026 @01:05AM (#50138062)
> I expect it to cost somewhere in the neighborhood of an experienced dev because that’s the alternative.

That's only true if a single company owns the frontier, otherwise the alternative is "a rival frontier model" and the cost will be the marginal price of the compute + amortized training costs.

Re:DeepSeek: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash 1017 by state_less on Saturday October 17, 2026 @08:09PM (#50136500)
Asking the LLM to 'just' fix 'it', or whatever, is going to get you lost in the woods.

You're car will have spun off the road and you'll find it harder and harder to control it and keep it on the road because you have less and less visibility into the vehicle, nor will you be able to clearly see out your windscreen to use the car and road metaphor. You'll be driving blind eventually, unless your working on some simple closed toy problems and/or other small systems.

Building large systems means understanding the system. Without understanding the system, you lose control of it.

The LLM can probably help you understand the system to gain/regain some control of it again, but now you're becoming a system specialist rather than someone who's repeating, "fix it" and "make it good" or whatever.

Re:DeepSeek: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash 1017 by dominotw on Saturday October 17, 2026 @10:20PM (#50137247)
well said. This is exactly why platforms selling vibecoding are scams.
Re:DeepSeek: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash 1017 by radicalbyte on Sunday October 18, 2026 @08:50AM (#50140656)
There are a whooooole lot of people writing software who, despite spending years on the craft, never really get any further than McGuyver mode.

Self-trained people (like me) are particularly susceptible to it and we're heavily represented in the software world. A lot of us either recognise that (or are coached) and invest the time learning the benefits, and limitations of, software architecture. And, importantly, keep reflecting, learning and updating our practise.

I keep going back to the YOLO mode every other year and try out new languages to see if we still need the structure and abstractions. Then VMs came along and all I can say is they're both even more important and now we have an army of virtual "ADHD idiot juniors developers" at our finger tips it's even easier to tell the good and bad abstractions from each other.

Re:DeepSeek: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash 1017 by Bender on Sunday October 18, 2026 @07:25AM (#50140053)
I can not rely on Opus 5.5+ to "fix" whatever crops up. Claude is great but should it find a security related bug one too many times, it gets the Anthropic Shock Collar [cyber]! and I have to pick Opus 4.8 or older to continue and they try to up-sell Mythos which I am not permitted to use without going through their verification program that they will not offer to me. Thankfully for most of my hobby tasks (thats all I do now) Opus 4.8 is usually mostly good enough. In my opinion their newer models are powerful but not something I can rely on. Maybe I am one of the few running into this.