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Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by jawiggins on Tuesday October 13, 2026 @03:44PM (#50077539)
Human development is all about removing minor inconveniences. It's how we progress from 0 climate control and lacking clean drinking water to how we live today. Here's a good article on the subject: https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/we-live-like-roy...
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by Tade0 on Tuesday October 13, 2026 @04:17PM (#50078040)
> Human development is all about removing minor inconveniences.

That's a uniquely American perspective.

Japanese homes often don't have space heating. The Swiss often keep their homes at 20°C in the winter.

Most of the globe doesn't travel everywhere by car. Arguably it's the intention to remove pain as much as possible which resulted in the opioid epidemic.

There's a point at which trying to get rid of inconveniences becomes harmful.

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by eddythompson80 on Tuesday October 13, 2026 @08:10PM (#50080741)
You think HVAC and cars are an American prospective?
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by Tade0 on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @04:57AM (#50084504)
I think waging war on discomfort is uniquely American.

The rest of the world also has these things, just doesn't use them nearly as much.

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by eddythompson80 on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @10:37AM (#50088399)
I don’t think your thought is as insightful as you think it is. You simply fell for the American Exceptionalism propaganda thinking that Americans are some special breed of humans. America is the richest country in the world. And for most of the 20th century average Americans had the most disposable income and the largest consumer base of all countries. Of course they led the way on adopting luxuries and reducing discomfort. The rest of the world followed as the price became attainable and their purchasing power increased.

50 years ago hot middle eastern countries had no AC. Not because they had some sort of symbiosis with nature and the summer heat. It was because the average AC costed the sum of 8-month of average income. As AC prices dropped, and the average income increased, having an AC became the norm.

Of course the richest people, richest economies get their first and to a non inquisitive or surface only thinking, it’s some how a unique was on discomfort or lust for luxury, when it’s just simple economics. You can see rich Asian countries and cities leading the “War on discomfort” now a days as their economies have developed and stabilized, but they face unique discomforts that previous rich nations didn’t.

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by Tade0 on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @11:57AM (#50089705)
> America is the richest country in the world.

In absolute terms, yes. But per capita there are quite a few richer countries, like Switzerland, where people genuinely seem to brave the elements as part of their culture.

Sure, everyone adopts conveniences, but I've never seen anyone do it to the extent Americans do.

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by eddythompson80 on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @12:48PM (#50090730)
The per capita numbers are more recent as opposed to be throughout the 20th century but even still the size of the Swiss market (in absolute terms) is tiny compared to the size of the American market. Unless the per-capita wealth or disposable income is 30x to make for the population size difference, the "reducing discomfort" goods market will still favor the larger (overall) richer and bigger markets then trickle down to smaller ones. I highly doubt the Swiss endure through cold winters by wearing more layers in doors and drinking lots of hot tea.

> I've never seen anyone do it to the extent Americans do.

Sounds more like observational or cognitive bias tbh. For example, the Japanese market is notorious for building gizmos and machines for far less grand inconveniences that the weather or long-distance travel. They eat a lot of rice in Japan, so it makes sense they invented the rice cooker. To many Americans (today) who don't eat a lot of rice having an entire appliance for just cooking rice might seem like a crazy war on discomfort and too much of adopting convivences. What's next? a machine just for Turkish coffee?

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by ndriscoll on Tuesday October 13, 2026 @04:33PM (#50078304)
Is 20°C supposed to be austere? Is that a typo? I keep my American home at 67-68°F in the winter...
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by tenacious_tuna on Tuesday October 13, 2026 @04:39PM (#50078391)
20C in wintertime is quite cool for North America, in my opinion. I think 23C is commonly considered "comfortable," but obviously that will vary significantly by individual.

Chicago building codes require 68F as a minimum for residential in winter conditions, so I think that's reasonable as a "habitable minimum yet not necessarily ideal" benchmark: https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/depts/bldgs/supp_info/chicag...

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by ndriscoll on Tuesday October 13, 2026 @04:51PM (#50078552)
Wow. Obviously there are humidity differences during different seasons, but 23°C is probably the limit of "this is uncomfortably warm" for me if I set my thermostat above that.
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by lazyasciiart on Tuesday October 13, 2026 @05:23PM (#50078973)
Me too, but my husband and guests are clearly uncomfortably cold at my preferred 66/67, and my sister with poor circulation just about has her hands go numb.
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by Tade0 on Tuesday October 13, 2026 @05:19PM (#50078919)
And to what temperature do you set your AC in the summer?
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by ndriscoll on Tuesday October 13, 2026 @09:51PM (#50081427)
73-74F, so ~23C, my limit where it starts to feel too warm.
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by Tade0 on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @03:53AM (#50083952)
So you're just used to cold and not heat.

The thing about the nations I mentioned is that they either barely use any AC, like Switzerland, or set it to 25°C or more, like Japan.

They embrace discomfort - most of the world does.

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by SoftTalker on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @12:44AM (#50082480)
For me, it depends on outside temp. The main advantage of AC is dehumidification. So if it's 95 degrees and humid outside, 78 degrees inside feels great, and keeps the AC running often enough to keep humidity down.

If it's in the 80s outside, I'll probably drop the inside temp to 76, again to keep humidity down. I rarely set it below that. 74 feels cold in my normal summer attire of shorts and a tee shirt. If we have an 80 degree day with low humidity, I'll open the windows.

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by hobo123 on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @10:59AM (#50088697)
20 degrees is just fine. During winter I really don't want to sweat at home, nor do I want to only wear a T-shirt (like I would need at 22 or more).

Whenever I go shopping, it's insane how much they heat most places, while people are wearing heavy winter jackets.

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by TheOtherHobbes on Tuesday October 13, 2026 @03:49PM (#50077609)
Smart human development is about thinking long term, not trading minor conveniences now for avoidable catastrophic consequences later.
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by jawiggins on Tuesday October 13, 2026 @03:56PM (#50077733)
It turns out that small minor improvements compound long term, and there are relatively few examples of massive step-changes that were centrally planned. Here's a good book on the topic that you may enjoy: https://press.stripe.com/origins-of-efficiency
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by Marha01 on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @01:04AM (#50082610)
> not trading minor conveniences now for avoidable catastrophic consequences later.

Those minor conveniences are a drop in the bucket when it comes to total CO2 output.