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Re:Yandex Takes a Second Data Center Hit in 48 Hours by SV_BubbleTime on Friday October 09, 2026 @12:34PM (#50023008)
> USA provides extensive engineering support and technology transfer for Ukraine's domestic development of long-range missiles.

Translated, we give them the missiles, we give them the intelligence, we give them the target, we set it up… we let them push the red button.

Re:Yandex Takes a Second Data Center Hit in 48 Hours by tim333 on Friday October 09, 2026 @02:57PM (#50025151)
I'm not sure the US has given Ukraine any long range missiles.

The ones hitting the data centers are I think https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_Point_FP-1

I don't think the US even has any like that to give.

The long range strikes only started after Trump's "you have no cards" oval office shindig where he basically told Zelensky to surrender and cut aid. After that Trump lost a lot of influence to protect Russia.

Re:Yandex Takes a Second Data Center Hit in 48 Hours by toonvanvr on Friday October 09, 2026 @12:46PM (#50023194)
You also set up Hormuz and tariffs and spread discord between EU citiz ns through speeches of high officials and threaten Greenland, causing us to prepare to defend on multiple fronts while often publicly supporting Russia too.

Are you sure the missiles are support?

Re:Yandex Takes a Second Data Center Hit in 48 Hours by bdnk1 on Friday October 09, 2026 @12:45PM (#50023186)
Yeah, apparently the US does all the work. Meanwhile, Trump is asking Zelenskyy to stop the strikes.
Re:Yandex Takes a Second Data Center Hit in 48 Hours by petcat on Friday October 09, 2026 @12:50PM (#50023271)
Europe is asking Zelenskyy to stop the strikes.

They're just using USA as political cover, which is how it has always been been. USA warned Europe for decades not to become reliant on cheap Russian gas because it would be weaponized against them. The Biden administration even sanctioned German companies [1] building Nordstream 2 because it was a Russian geopolitical project.

We see how it all turned out.

[1] https://2021-2025.state.gov/nord-stream-2-and-potential-sanc...

Re:Yandex Takes a Second Data Center Hit in 48 Hours by reeredfdfdf on Friday October 09, 2026 @01:28PM (#50023876)
Germany maybe, not whole Europe. Nordics, Poland and Baltic states certainly understand that stopping Russia requires hard measures.

It's too bad Eastern Germany never managed to deruzzify itself properly after DDR fell.

Re:Yandex Takes a Second Data Center Hit in 48 Hours by petre on Saturday October 10, 2026 @01:15AM (#50029782)
Stopping Russia is equivalent to stopping Germany and Japan in WW2. Not applicable. So the next thing is to hope it wears itself out, just like it did in Afghhanistan. And later maybe another dissolution, just like the USSR. But that would possibly also mean nukes getting left over in new jurisdictions.
Re:Yandex Takes a Second Data Center Hit in 48 Hours by thinkcontext on Friday October 09, 2026 @01:59PM (#50024343)
Trump didn't ask Zelensky to stop the strikes because German diesel prices are high. He did it because the US midterm elections are coming up and his party's base are disproportionately harmed by high gas prices.
Re:Yandex Takes a Second Data Center Hit in 48 Hours by pessimizer on Friday October 09, 2026 @02:07PM (#50024459)
> Europe is asking Zelenskyy to stop the strikes.

Europe is most certainly not doing this. Trump isn't even serious, he's just "telling them to stop" in order to aid European anti-Trump propaganda which is used in Europe ironically to support US interests. Trump doesn't care that diesel is going up, especially because his friends are selling it. Cutting off Russian ability to join in this smorgasbord by causing a local diesel shortage for them also cuts off any concern he could possibly have about diesel prices.

Notice that he didn't end US diesel exports, he entertained the idea.

If Europe thinks they're "in this alone," and Europe is the "only one left" who will "defend" Ukraine, then Europe has to rearm in fear and figure out how to send more support to Ukraine, like to cut social services and ignore their heat/power bills to do it (and to steal from Russian accounts, which is being debated again.)

They will buy the weapons from the US, they will shore up the Ukraine war for the US, the will buy more LNG from the US, they will destroy local anti-US politicians for the US in favor of NATO, all to own Trump. Remember, Trump "hates" NATO. Not that he doesn't support everything they're doing, he's just threatened to stop paying for it i.e. they'll serve us for free. He's going to build a Ukraine War, and Europe's going to pay for it.

As a tactic, it was obvious why the US/Ukraine had to be aggressive right now; not only is Russia doing exceedingly well financially due to what the dumb Iran War did to prices, but winter is coming. For Ukraine, they were convinced that this was their last chance to make an impact before they were frozen. For the US it was an opportunity to burn weapons (so we can grab US taxes to make more), to get Russia to stop exports (because LNG goes up in Europe, and US oil goes up in general) and lastly and maybe most importantly to raise political support in Russia for strikes to civilian infrastructure. Putin is the conservative in Russia, and the politicians who are against him are demanding that he escalate rather than continue to bleed Russian lives forever.

If the US can convince Russia, who has been very gentle with Ukrainian civilian infrastructure, to destroy Ukrainian power going into the winter, the misery and death that will hit Ukrainians will be talked about for the next century (barring an big warming effect of the extreme El Niño.) That might fire up Europe even more into a delusionally belligerent frenzy (European NATO elites are losing the population), and possibly shore up support for more spending on Ukraine in the US itself. The US has suffered through a distinct lack of Russian atrocities in Ukraine, and this would be a great time to get some.

Re:Yandex Takes a Second Data Center Hit in 48 Hours by petcat on Friday October 09, 2026 @02:13PM (#50024538)
As recently as 2 weeks ago Macron specifically asked Ukraine to halt strikes on Russian energy infrastructure.

https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/news/2026/09/25/72462...

Re:Yandex Takes a Second Data Center Hit in 48 Hours by nistiminic on Friday October 09, 2026 @02:30PM (#50024794)
Macron is the leader of France. AFAIK there's no common EU position on this.
Re:Yandex Takes a Second Data Center Hit in 48 Hours by petcat on Friday October 09, 2026 @02:44PM (#50024998)
I think this is the No True Scotsman fallacy [1].

> Europe is asking Ukraine to halt destruction of Russia's oil infrastructure.

> Europe is not asking for this.

> France is asking Ukraine to halt destruction of Russia's oil infrastructure.

> No true European is asking for this.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

Re:Yandex Takes a Second Data Center Hit in 48 Hours by nistiminic on Friday October 09, 2026 @04:13PM (#50026023)
All I was trying to say is this wasn't a request on the EU level. I assume by Europe you meant EU. Correct me if I'm wrong.

You are correct that indeed France made the proposal that Russia stops destroying Ukrainian energy infrastructure and Ukraine would do the same thing. France as a country has that right to make such proposals. That doesn't make it a request or proposal on the EU level.

I have no idea how the no true scotsman fallacy applies to this. Maybe I'm missing something here

Re:Yandex Takes a Second Data Center Hit in 48 Hours by tpm on Saturday October 10, 2026 @03:32AM (#50030590)
Well, did Russia agree? They didn't and they won't so this is moot. You are certainly able to grasp the diff between Trump wanting unilateral Ukraine attack stop and Macron wanting a bilateral stop.
Re:Yandex Takes a Second Data Center Hit in 48 Hours by pvaldes on Saturday October 10, 2026 @06:22PM (#50037786)
> the misery and death that will hit Ukrainians will be talked about for the next century

Before that, more Ukrainian women and children would be refugees in Europe.

Re:Yandex Takes a Second Data Center Hit in 48 Hours by MiroslavPokorny on Saturday October 10, 2026 @01:11AM (#50029762)
The only reason the war has turned lately is because the USA was the greatest defensive shield for the Russians, by demanding that Ukraine not cross the red line of the border.
Re:Yandex Takes a Second Data Center Hit in 48 Hours by pvaldes on Saturday October 10, 2026 @06:16PM (#50037747)
And Ukraine provides extensive access to their mineral resources. "We sell them" would be more accurate.

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