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Re:Why Were Victorian Elites So Effective? by tim333 on Thursday October 08, 2026 @09:08AM (#50005387)
The Victorian era, 1837-1901 roughly overlapped the rail era - first railway 1804 in Cornwall, "railway mania" 1840s which was a railway stock bubble and crash.

>The mania reached its zenith in 1846, when 263 Acts of Parliament for setting up new railway companies were passed, with the proposed routes totalling 9,500 miles (15,300 km). About a third of the railways authorised were never built...

Somewhat reminiscent of our current AI boom. At least the Victorian one seemed to lead on to prosperity so fingers crossed.

Re:Why Were Victorian Elites So Effective? by neves on Thursday October 08, 2026 @10:27AM (#50006245)
Prosperity for who? Not for the colonies.

The greatest feat of the ruthless British empire was the great number of independency holidays around the world.

Re:Why Were Victorian Elites So Effective? by tim333 on Thursday October 08, 2026 @10:53AM (#50006548)
I'm not that up on the details but a lot of the former British empire like the US, Canada, Australia etc. are doing quite well. I was in Hong Kong in the 1980s and it did much better then under UK government than the mainland. Not sure about places like India. Ireland wasn't that great.
Re:Why Were Victorian Elites So Effective? by lazide on Thursday October 08, 2026 @01:26PM (#50008856)
Singapore and even India too.

It’s complicated, because while yes the British were bastards, unlike some of the powers they weren’t completely rapacious, and recognized that at least a modicum of self sufficiency and good governance was necessary for them to have something to steal long term.

The French, Spanish, or (big yikes) Belgian colonies have had significantly harder times.

Kind of a ‘what did the Roman’s ever do for us?’ situation.

Re:Why Were Victorian Elites So Effective? by tim333 on Thursday October 08, 2026 @02:33PM (#50009978)
I get the impression a lot of the success was just providing some sort of rule of law and military security and then letting markets do their thing along the lines of Adam Smith's invisible hand of the market. (Scot who did some study at Oxford and died in 1790).
Re:Why Were Victorian Elites So Effective? by nradov on Thursday October 08, 2026 @03:15PM (#50010616)
The old British Empire was hardly a an exemplar of free market economics. There were many independent companies but there were also chartered monopolies and price controls. We take basic economics for granted today but back then many leaders literally didn't understand the basics of how it worked.
Re:Why Were Victorian Elites So Effective? by mr_toad on Saturday October 10, 2026 @12:42PM (#50034616)
Many people don’t realise that Adam Smith’s most famous work was a criticism of the prevailing economic policies of the era.
Re:Why Were Victorian Elites So Effective? by marbro on Thursday October 08, 2026 @03:03PM (#50010447)
The government that governs best governs least.
Re:Why Were Victorian Elites So Effective? by lazide on Thursday October 08, 2026 @02:41PM (#50010121)
Sounds like at least a modicum of good governance to me.

The approach from most of the others (especially Belgian) more closely resembled strip mining.

Re:Why Were Victorian Elites So Effective? by mr_toad on Saturday October 10, 2026 @12:39PM (#50034584)
> Ireland wasn't that great.

A lack of resources useful to industry didn’t help. The industrial revolution didn’t benefit everyone equally.