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Re:'Jonathan' Is the Oldest Land Animal on Earth by pythonRon on Thursday October 08, 2026 @05:26AM (#50003661)
The goal is to lengthen human lifespan? Like the planet doesn't have enough humans already.
Re:'Jonathan' Is the Oldest Land Animal on Earth by uiautrb on Thursday October 08, 2026 @05:52AM (#50003831)
The problem is not with the number of human but with our lifestyle...
Re:'Jonathan' Is the Oldest Land Animal on Earth by jhbadger on Thursday October 08, 2026 @07:35AM (#50004591)
It's both, though. Yes, the Earth can support more humans with a lifestyle closer to that of the West in the 19th century than with a lifestyle closer to the the West in the 21st, but even in the 19th (and earlier) deforestation and the like were happening. And it's just reality that as societies prosper they use more resources per person. 50 years ago the vast majority of Chinese didn't use cars but walked and and bicycled. Now they are quite car dependent.
Re:'Jonathan' Is the Oldest Land Animal on Earth by _heimdall on Thursday October 08, 2026 @07:52AM (#50004732)
I'm not sure that's an easy argument to hold up. Where would you draw the line on lifestyle that can and should reasonably change?

We've populated large portions of the planet that we really have no business living in without climate controlled indoor environments. HVAC is also a huge energy suck with all the externalities that come along with it. If we were to really want to cut energy use, for example, and climate control had to go we almost certainly couldn't continue to sustain as many people as we have today.

Re:'Jonathan' Is the Oldest Land Animal on Earth by jfyi on Thursday October 08, 2026 @10:56AM (#50006583)
> Where would you draw the line on lifestyle that can and should reasonably change?

I'm with you, but let's just say it.

People, as a whole, don't want to make the changes we all know would make the world better.

People, as individuals? While there are exceptions, the reality is a classic tragedy of the commons. Individuals generally won't accept a short-term drop in their standard of living while watching their neighbors refuse to do the same.

It is what it is, frankly. We can and will change our lifestyles at the very last possible moment. Let's hope it's enough.

Re:'Jonathan' Is the Oldest Land Animal on Earth by _heimdall on Thursday October 08, 2026 @07:21PM (#50013823)
Yep, totally agree on the observations and concerns. Maybe I'm too pessimistic, but I don't expect major changes in lifestyle until its too late and we're forced with no other choice.
Re:'Jonathan' Is the Oldest Land Animal on Earth by wolvoleo on Thursday October 08, 2026 @12:45PM (#50008179)
People have lived all over the planet without these things, I don't think you can say we have no business living there.

Think of the aboriginals and nomads roaming the deserts and the inuit in the icy north. All before hvac.

And hvac isn't really as much of an energy problem as heating is. Because when hvac is needed it is during a time of abundance of sunlight.

Re:'Jonathan' Is the Oldest Land Animal on Earth by _heimdall on Thursday October 08, 2026 @07:20PM (#50013810)
Yes, people at a much smaller scale figured out how to make it work and through many generations both adapted physically to the environment and found clever ways to work with the environment.

I can't imagine Canada or Europe could support their current population sizes without HVAC, or refrigeration, or pesticides and herbicides.

The list goes on, but in my opinion and understanding there is too strong of a correlation to ignore between those types of modern inventions and population growth.

Re:'Jonathan' Is the Oldest Land Animal on Earth by pyrale on Thursday October 08, 2026 @11:26AM (#50006984)
It's usually not the most frugal humans that want to defeat death.
Re:'Jonathan' Is the Oldest Land Animal on Earth by fearmerchant on Thursday October 08, 2026 @11:50AM (#50007335)
And the type of humans.
Re:'Jonathan' Is the Oldest Land Animal on Earth by tokai on Thursday October 08, 2026 @06:56AM (#50004289)
Wake up grandpa, human population is on the cusp of beginning to decline.
Re:'Jonathan' Is the Oldest Land Animal on Earth by dirkc on Thursday October 08, 2026 @07:09AM (#50004391)
Wouldn't a decline be good? Or is the theory that we can only do collapse, not decline?
Re:'Jonathan' Is the Oldest Land Animal on Earth by Tade0 on Thursday October 08, 2026 @07:39AM (#50004622)
Depends how it's done I guess. France has a decent population tower, for lack of a better expression:

https://www.populationpyramid.net/france/2026/

If they keep it up, their population will remain stable up to the 22nd century. There will be no further noticeable ageing and thus no threat to anyone's retirement.

Re:'Jonathan' Is the Oldest Land Animal on Earth by jfyi on Thursday October 08, 2026 @11:04AM (#50006703)
Decline fails to uphold the prevailing world economic ideology. That's the real problem with population decline the way I see it. We will need to adjust in ways that don't support the idea of "unlimited growth".
Re:'Jonathan' Is the Oldest Land Animal on Earth by dirkc on Thursday October 08, 2026 @04:52PM (#50012096)
Line must go up. Part of me wonders if the economic ideology might be what causes more than just a gradual decline.
Re:'Jonathan' Is the Oldest Land Animal on Earth by close04 on Thursday October 08, 2026 @07:21AM (#50004476)
> Wake up grandpa

Just imagine how many more grandpas and great grandpas will be around for you to shout this at.

The problem with the population isn't (yet? only?) the absolute number of individuals but the age distribution. Most societies rely on young people to support themselves and the old, and this only works if there's a good balance between the numbers of each. Living longer isn't guaranteed to offer a longer productive period. We might just end up with more old people in need of support and not necessarily more children. This is already a major problem today in most developed countries.

There are probably so many more factors to consider. Like the psychological impact of living substantially longer. Even things like that crappy boss who won't retire from another 60 years, the dictator who won't die for another hundred years, or any number of the many society destroying tech CEOs getting to entrench themselves for decades more.

Re:'Jonathan' Is the Oldest Land Animal on Earth by nancyminusone on Thursday October 08, 2026 @10:07AM (#50005977)
"on the cusp of beginning to"

This will happen no earlier than the 2080s. The world population is expected to increase every year until then. We will add nearly 2 billion people in that time. Consider that the entire world population was less than 1 billion for all but the last 221 years.

I continue to not worry.

Re:'Jonathan' Is the Oldest Land Animal on Earth by smallstepforman on Thursday October 08, 2026 @06:18AM (#50004028)
Well, they dont want more for you, but more for “them”.