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Re:The last time my family was replaced by technology by ninglor on Wednesday September 30, 2026 @05:27PM (#49914705)
This sounds like you are deriving an is from an ought.

Is it not conceivable that we won't find a way to do so, and that consumption and economic activity will ultimately decline?

Re:The last time my family was replaced by technology by Aperocky on Wednesday September 30, 2026 @08:55PM (#49916392)
That is one possibility but it goes against the interest of all income groups of the economy, including the ones on the very top. So a solution is in everyone's interest to be found, and nor is it a physical impossibility.
Re:The last time my family was replaced by technology by goda90 on Wednesday September 30, 2026 @10:09PM (#49916846)
Until the ones at the top own a fully automated supply chain for their every need and luxury and all they need from everyone else is the ability to feel superior.
Re:The last time my family was replaced by technology by rogerrogerr on Wednesday September 30, 2026 @11:24PM (#49917358)
In this case, why doesn't the rungs of the economy below the rich just... run the way they have been? Serious question, I've been mulling over in my head what it means for a few people to own the majority of "the economy" and goods to be very cheap, but no one has any income.

What I always come back to is this: Why does it matter what the very richest do? Worst case the economy operates approximately as it does now (maybe with us knowledge workers knocked down a few rungs). But like, the rich can't eat _all_ the food.

I feel like the most likely outcome is that the quality of life of the bottom 90% is overall better than today. HN'ers quality of life is maybe worse than it is today.

Re:The last time my family was replaced by technology by auggierose on Thursday October 01, 2026 @12:18AM (#49917683)
> In this case, why doesn't the rungs of the economy below the rich just... run the way they have been?

Where do you live? The rich will own all housing.

Re:The last time my family was replaced by technology by goda90 on Thursday October 01, 2026 @12:41AM (#49917807)
Narcissism and psychopathy are why. The richest people stopped needing to care about money to fill their lives with endless luxuries billions of dollars ago. They enjoy being richer and more powerful than others.
Re:The last time my family was replaced by technology by strken on Thursday October 01, 2026 @02:07AM (#49918235)
They keep buying ten of the houses I want to live in, knocking them down, and building a single tasteless McMansion on the combined block, and then lobbying for building and zoning regulations that won't let me build another house.

Presumably if we're all unemployed or employed in jobs that have zero economic worth to them, they'll buy all of our houses, build a bunch of big grey boxes for us to live in like a human zoo, build even bigger and more tasteless McMansions for themselves, and pass legislation that makes it illegal to live near them or inconvenience them.

The quality of life for the bottom 90% of the world has been getting better because they were so desperately poor that they could rely on economic growth to help them. At some point they're going to be rich enough in commodities that they start looking to buy things like houses or start businesses, at which point they'll find that asset prices are rising faster than their own wealth because of growing inequality, and they will look at their big grey boxes full of shoebox apartments and start to become unhappy too.

Re:The last time my family was replaced by technology by earthdeity on Thursday October 01, 2026 @02:30AM (#49918370)
I think if we jump instantly to a fully automated world, perhaps there's no problem, but in a normal transition from the actual world the issues are

- capital / limited goods

- allocation of labor

Things like land are a limited commodity. Concentration of ownership usually comes with rent extraction. Because you need to live somewhere, but available locations are finite (and supply can even be controlled, and is). This means that you can end up with a cartel scenario where increasingly normal peoples previously disposable income is tied up in an increasingly large % to those fixed costs of living. This is arguably well under way in some countries.

The second point is, the richest enjoy goods like personal yachts, private planes, luxury restaurants. If a lot of labor is increasingly allocated to producing highly inefficient luxuries, it's essentially wasted. You might have hundreds of businesses employing thousands of people or machines, but the productivity of their work is essentially all going into products consumed by a few people. I'd say a limited amount of this is a good thing, it's a normal part of the proliferation of choice enabled by capitalism. But taken too far you return to a historic economy where most peoples productive life is spent serving a tiny elite, while living in poor conditions themselves.

In our financial system, your income as an individual has to be significant enough to send a signal to produce the goods you want. If this ceases to be true for even a significant minority of people, you will find consumer choices and available quality decreasing for those people, which is a real problem. This is to a lesser extent happening in some segments of the economy.

Re:The last time my family was replaced by technology by skew-aberration on Thursday October 01, 2026 @03:22AM (#49918738)
Yes, though I'd say that rent extraction and labor being directed to the whims of a small number of people is essentially the same thing. And even under a step jump to full automation, the owners of fixed goods can still extract monopoly rents.

This is also largely the conclusion of classical economics (i.e. Adam Smith) and the argument was developed in great detail by Riccardo, George (who explicitly considered the no-labor-required case in 1800s), and many others.

Re:The last time my family was replaced by technology by skew-aberration on Thursday October 01, 2026 @03:30AM (#49918791)
The rich will buy all the scarce resources and charge the maximum possible price to extract all of the value you can provide. You will be unable to accumulate wealth. Dynamic pricing of fast food will extend to all food and even to e.g. plumbing fittings - you don't own a copper mine, so you can't go make your own. You will do hard and degrading work for a subsistence living despite the ample resources and technology required to improve your condition.

This is history, not a random hypothesis. Feudal serfs had the ways and means to bootstrap, but in fact lived worse than their pre-feudal ancestors.

Re:The last time my family was replaced by technology by Aperocky on Thursday October 01, 2026 @01:50PM (#49924836)
> ability to feel superior.

I actually have a random thought that it is this innate human drive that causes society to be mostly employed despite massive differences in technology and productivity across geography and time.

What if the driver of employment is not efficient return of capital, but satisfaction of human mind?