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Re:Japan moves to tighten rules for foreigners, throwing fut... by greggoB on Sunday September 27, 2026 @07:53AM (#49865883)
This is all... just nonsense? Like what is your source for any of this, some rightwing boomer facebook group?

Nothing has been forced upon Western Europe - we have aging populations and shrinking demographics, so a need for people to plug the holes in the workforce.

There is no illuminati-type conspiracy here. Japan has lost 5 mil people or so since 2010, and the median age is like 50. At some point there will be nobody to work and pay tax, no doctors or nurses to take care of the elderly What's the plan exactly to deal with this, what's the magic solution that doesn't somehow involve immigration?

Re:Japan moves to tighten rules for foreigners, throwing fut... by superdisk on Sunday September 27, 2026 @11:24AM (#49867461)
Having the population shrink and just letting the wheels fall off is vastly superior to ethnically cleansing your own country by importing a bunch of foreigners. At least you can rebuild from the first scenario.
Re:Japan moves to tighten rules for foreigners, throwing fut... by greggoB on Sunday September 27, 2026 @03:34PM (#49870041)
> ethnically cleansing your own country

Aha, OK.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement_conspiracy_t...

Re:Japan moves to tighten rules for foreigners, throwing fut... by superdisk on Sunday September 27, 2026 @05:08PM (#49870864)
It's not a theory, let alone a conspiracy one. It's a plain and simple fact. It's why we're having this conversation in the first place. Britain went from 88% native British in 2000 to 73% in 2025. They will become a minority in their own country in the next 50 years. Similar has happened in Sweden, Germany, France, many others.

What are you even trying to imply by posting that link?

Re:Japan moves to tighten rules for foreigners, throwing fut... by greggoB on Monday September 28, 2026 @03:54AM (#49874868)
I'm straight up saying that linking demographic shifts to some grand plan has already been recognised as a racist conspiracy theory.

Britain is a good for example: they (and France) spent the 20th century doing anything and everything to prevent their empires crumbling. One such thing was easing movement of people with their old colonies to maintain influence.

Turns out things can happen without little green men being involved.

Re:Japan moves to tighten rules for foreigners, throwing fut... by superdisk on Monday September 28, 2026 @08:39AM (#49877039)
Okay, so you acknowledge that orchestrated or not, the native populations of European countries are going extinct and ultimately are going to be replaced. Japan doesn't want that, as it's an existential issue for their nation. I would argue possibly THE most existential issue a nation can face.

I would personally argue that it IS orchestrated, as this massive change happened in 50 years after 1000+ years of no change, but it's not relevant to the actual outcome. Call it a racist conspiracy theory all you want, people are becoming immune to that strategy.

Re:Japan moves to tighten rules for foreigners, throwing fut... by greggoB on Monday September 28, 2026 @10:33AM (#49878650)
I do not acknowledge that, how do you get to "extinction" from "demographic shifts"? That is quite the impressive leap.

The reason for Japan's (brief) attempt at immigration is they recognised their demographic decline as an actual existential risk. They've chickened out because it proved sufficiently politically unpopular - this is not the same thing. Good luck to them dealing with their demographics in some other as-yet-unknown way.

Yes it's clear you've been drinking the koolaid. And no, people have migrated around for thousands of years, that's simply not grounded in reality. How do you think humans got from Africa to the rest of the planet? Or does that not count as migration because it's somehow too far in the past?

I don't know how else to refer to a conspiracy theory that's primarily driven by fears/hatred of others based not on their merits and values but their ethnicity/race. If you have another preferred term that accurately depicts this I'd be happy to use it instead.

Re:Japan moves to tighten rules for foreigners, throwing fut... by anal_reactor on Monday September 28, 2026 @02:08AM (#49874218)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_London

White population of London fell from 97,7% in 1961 to 53,8% in 2021, probably below 50% now. What's happening to Britain is the same thing that British did to indigenous populations during colonial times.

Whether this is orchestrated or not is debatable, but denying simple statistics from governmental agencies in democratic countries is... well... very close to a conspiracy-theory

Re:Japan moves to tighten rules for foreigners, throwing fut... by greggoB on Monday September 28, 2026 @04:02AM (#49874924)
> What's happening to Britain is the same thing that British did to indigenous populations during colonial times.

For sure, the actual colonisation and enslavement of peoples around the world is totally equivalent to a demographic shift.

> Whether this is orchestrated or not is debatable

It's not, it's very widely recognised as a racist conspiracy theory.

Re:Japan moves to tighten rules for foreigners, throwing fut... by jgb1984 on Monday September 28, 2026 @04:34AM (#49875140)
You're missing the forest for the trees. I don't care if it's some kind of evil orchestration. That's the least of my worries. What I want is for it to be stopped. And that desire has an overwhelming democratic majority in most European countries AFAIK. Or is democratic decision making only important when it's an outcome you agree with?
Re:Japan moves to tighten rules for foreigners, throwing fut... by greggoB on Monday September 28, 2026 @08:32AM (#49876970)
If "an overwhelming democratic majority" want it stopped and it presumably hasn't, then that implies there's must be a conspiracy acting against said majority. Or how do you square this circle?

In any case, there is no country in Europe in which anti-immigration parties have an absolute majority (> 50%), let alone an "overwhelming" one [0]. So to answer your question: yes, democratic decision making is important to me, especially such that it actually reflects the will of the electorate and not some wish a minority within it has.

[0] https://popu-list.org/

Re:Japan moves to tighten rules for foreigners, throwing fut... by anal_reactor on Monday September 28, 2026 @09:54AM (#49878014)
> then that implies there's must be a conspiracy acting against said majority.

Or that immigration simply isn't their most important policy, even though they support stricter measures.

Imagine you have a choice between two parties: party A wants to detonate an atomic bomb in the capital but also create well-funded animal shelters. Party B opposes the destruction of the capital city, but they want to turn all puppies in the country into kebabs. What do you vote? You don't want to eat ground puppies, do you?

Re:Japan moves to tighten rules for foreigners, throwing fut... by greggoB on Monday September 28, 2026 @11:11AM (#49879328)
WAT?

If these are the only party choices an electorate has, it seems to me they have bigger problems. And so option C, the people don't vote, hence giving neither party a mandate to do what they want?

I really struggle to see how an example this obtuse has any analogy to reality.

Re:Japan moves to tighten rules for foreigners, throwing fut... by anal_reactor on Monday September 28, 2026 @11:51AM (#49879994)
TBH I think you deeply misunderstand how democratic voting works.
Re:Japan moves to tighten rules for foreigners, throwing fut... by greggoB on Monday September 28, 2026 @12:44PM (#49880826)
You're free to think that, but it notably doesn't address the obtuseness of your example to supposedly demonstrate it.