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Re:Jev Can't Be Calibrated by seizethecheese on Wednesday September 23, 2026 @12:09PM (#49818230)
Maybe I’m confused here, but it’s perfectly reasonable to just guess the same dice roll every time right?
Re:Jev Can't Be Calibrated by kantahayashi on Wednesday September 23, 2026 @12:17PM (#49818376)
Yes. There's no problem with choosing the same face every time. The problem is the probability it attached to the choice. Jev gave face 1 an 83% probability while the true probability is 1/6.
Re:Jev Can't Be Calibrated by seizethecheese on Wednesday September 23, 2026 @12:39PM (#49818749)
Okay, I see, you're expecting Jev to properly give 1/6 probability for each option. This is different from my intuition of how LLMs work, where their probabilities don't really work like this (I would expect LLM to also do something like 0.83 for 1).
Re:Jev Can't Be Calibrated by kantahayashi on Wednesday September 23, 2026 @01:03PM (#49819167)
That's right. It's normal behavior of LLMs. But what matters is TypeSafe argues it's different exactly on this point. The selling point of Jev is "calibrated probabilities", so I checked it on probability problems.
Re:Jev Can't Be Calibrated by maayank on Wednesday September 23, 2026 @01:20PM (#49819453)
Jev and LLMs give other promises. Jev's RLCD training aims to make its probabilities calibrated such that given many cases where it assigns label Y about X% probability, Y should be the correct label about X% of the time.
Re:Jev Can't Be Calibrated by NeutralCrane on Thursday September 24, 2026 @08:37AM (#49829762)
One of the entire value props for Jev is that is exactly how it is supposed to work. That is one of the big claimed advantages over regular LLMs.
Re:Jev Can't Be Calibrated by sshine on Wednesday September 23, 2026 @12:22PM (#49818440)
Do you provide Jev that the probability is 1/6 and yet it gives back a probability that is way off?
Re:Jev Can't Be Calibrated by kantahayashi on Wednesday September 23, 2026 @12:28PM (#49818565)
Yes. For example, one of the prompts said "The die is unbiased: each of the six faces has probability exactly 1/6."
Re:Jev Can't Be Calibrated by alexmolas on Wednesday September 23, 2026 @12:12PM (#49818284)
I don't know if it's reasonable. What it isn't is calibrated.
Re:Jev Can't Be Calibrated by dgritsko on Wednesday September 23, 2026 @12:37PM (#49818724)
Reminds me of this... https://xkcd.com/221/