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Re:Tokens Too Cheap to Meter by automatic6131 on Wednesday September 23, 2026 @09:48AM (#49816144)
Jevon's paradox isn't a physical law, it doesn't magically apply to everything. Millions more copies of Atari's ET game didn't cause everyone to pickup a cheap copy, and cause extra demand for a garbage video game. Some times (actually, usually, I'd argue) things are made that will sell for less than the cost of construction because of irrationality, and they don't induce extra demand and they don't change the negative profit margins.

You can't simply wave Jevon's paradox at things. Thousands of miles of canals were dug in the UK that couldn't be sustained and were abandoned. Thousands of miles of railways were laid that could be sustained and were abandoned. And those are potentially durable investments, unlike cheap walls, pillars and roofs laid over a levelled concrete slab full of fast depreciating IT equipment.

Re:Tokens Too Cheap to Meter by bryanlarsen on Wednesday September 23, 2026 @09:59AM (#49816295)
It's true that Jevon's paradox doesn't always apply, although this does seem like a classic case.

But yes, if sold for a negative margin Jevon eventually stops because the decreasing supply will drive up prices.

> things are made that will sell for less than the cost of construction

Price is set at the marginal cost. Capital costs aren't in marginal costs.

You'll need a better counter-example than UK railways which suffered from Parliament price-fixing.

Re:Tokens Too Cheap to Meter by js8 on Wednesday September 23, 2026 @10:33AM (#49816804)
I agree, but I would say what the parent is saying is more akin to Say's law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_creates_its_own_demand
Re:Tokens Too Cheap to Meter by jackb4040 on Wednesday September 23, 2026 @11:15AM (#49817424)
> You can't simply wave Jevon's paradox at things

I'm so glad the tide here is turning on this talking point, brought on by exactly the same people beating us over the head with it for months while no progress is made towards it materializing.

Many, many people who post here are capable neither of real analysis nor distinguishing real analysis from memes. They aren't hackers, they are adherents of a cult that happens to focus on the same subject matter as hackers.

Re:Tokens Too Cheap to Meter by anthonypasq on Wednesday September 23, 2026 @12:17PM (#49818377)
Jevon's paradox only applies to products with near infinite demand. Energy being the most famous example. I dont think its difficult to argue that compute/intelligence is also a base input into the economy and theres almost no limit to the amount of intelligence the world will want.
Re:Tokens Too Cheap to Meter by qlte on Wednesday September 23, 2026 @11:29AM (#49817613)
Jevon's Paradox, RSI, revealed preference
Re:Tokens Too Cheap to Meter by jackb4040 on Wednesday September 23, 2026 @12:24PM (#49818476)
Jev, ASI, RLHF, Jev, Jev, water usage