Re:Spain Orders Blocks on Archive.today and Its Mirrors
by js8 on Monday September 21, 2026 @02:32AM
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I am from EU, leftist, socialist and liberal (the left parts), and I can assure you, (a) most leftists (90%) are as liberal and antiauthoritarian as it gets, and (b) we are as powerless to change these things as you are.
Possibly, if you choose to believe me, things can change, but it's on you.
Re:Spain Orders Blocks on Archive.today and Its Mirrors
by mitxela on Monday September 21, 2026 @06:31AM
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Liberal doesn't mean supporting liberty, it means some interpolation between supporting free markets (neoliberal means just this one), and pretending that as long as we just follow the established institutional norms everything is fine and there is no need for radical change. It's synonymous right now for "centrist" - note that political labels drift over time.
Re:Spain Orders Blocks on Archive.today and Its Mirrors
by js8 on Monday September 21, 2026 @06:53AM
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Liberalism has both economic (free market) roots and political roots. The first "leftists" were the French revolutionaries and they wanted (political) freedom as well. The reason liberalism is in the "center" is because both left and right tried to appropriate it. (Although I think liberalism, in the sense of individual freedom, is a distinct value from other values such as conservative/authoritarian or socialist/communal.)
Re:Spain Orders Blocks on Archive.today and Its Mirrors
by mitxela on Monday September 21, 2026 @07:17AM
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Individual freedom absolutism is best refered to as "libertarianism" right now. Which, btw, is a label the right appropriated and the left gave up.
Re:Spain Orders Blocks on Archive.today and Its Mirrors
by zajio1am on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @11:30AM
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This terminology change is mostly limited to anglosphere. Outside of that 'liberal' is still commonly used for economic-right low-intervention position.
Re:Spain Orders Blocks on Archive.today and Its Mirrors
by vixen99 on Monday September 21, 2026 @08:21AM
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Let's judge them by their actions and then we'll decide.
Re:Spain Orders Blocks on Archive.today and Its Mirrors
by zajio1am on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @07:30AM
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Depends on country. Here in Czechia, Communist party is one of most socially conservative one, while conservative christian party is center-left economically. Social democratic party, when it was relevant, was also pretty socially conservative, which makes sense considering their working class demigraphics.
Re:Spain Orders Blocks on Archive.today and Its Mirrors
by CursedSilicon on Monday September 21, 2026 @02:34AM
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It's weird how you say that those terms are meaningless, then redefine them to fit your specific needs
Being liberal is hard but saying you are liberal is a great way to hide socialist and authoritarian tendencies. And that's the problem. If they were actually liberal, they wouldn't be censoring the Internet. Liberals believe in free speech, socialists don't. Its a big tell as which kind of leftist you are.