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Re:Flock Offers Employees Buyouts as Customers Flee by hyperlinerapp on Saturday September 19, 2026 @06:09AM (#49765088)
What made you feel that way?
Re:Flock Offers Employees Buyouts as Customers Flee by piva00 on Saturday September 19, 2026 @08:25AM (#49765992)
For me (not OP) a clear example I can give from a collage of my past three visits: arrive at JFK, get in the immigration queue, heavily armed agents walking around, some ICE agents looking tough surrounding the area, someone is directing the queue like we are cattle.

Get to the immigration officer, answer questions, get a cold stare a few times looking at me and my passport, unpleasantly asked why do I have two passports (I'm a dual citizen), told I don't look Swedish (of course, I'm naturalised), get told to wait, they leave to get someone else to check something, two immigration officers start shuffling my passport, wait while no one talks to me or acknowledge I'm there, passport stamped and I get told to "move".

Get my bags, and out of the terminal, on the walk through the terminal there's another 15-20 officers with rifles strutting around, get out of the terminal and there are two massive armoured cars from NYPD parked up front, more cops looking a bit tough.

It's an overwhelming presence of "security" everywhere, signs plastered with messages about how illegal stuff will be punished (littering, leaving your bags unattended, smoking, every message seems to say something about "under penalty of the law").

I think if you live with that all the time it's easy to filter out the noise but there's an eery feeling of oppression all around, like a boot is just waiting the right moment to stomp on you.

Re:Flock Offers Employees Buyouts as Customers Flee by SubmarineClub on Saturday September 19, 2026 @10:07AM (#49766707)
Maybe Sweden is different from every other country I’ve visited in Europe…but having traveled quite extensively in the EU, most countries I’ve been to don’t feel much different than the US.

Very immigration officer I’ve ever interacted with has been chilly, it’s not some uniquely American thing.

Pretty much every rail station I went through in Europe had extremely (to my eyes) heavily armed guards standing around. I was also asked to present my passport on several occasions. At one Italian station, it happed twice within a few minutes. I’ve been on multiple trains where some flavor of police comes on, checks people’s papers, and then grab some guy and escort him off at the next stop.

Re:Flock Offers Employees Buyouts as Customers Flee by piva00 on Saturday September 19, 2026 @10:57AM (#49767085)
I don't mind the stern-looking armed security or immigration officers, it just feels different in the USA. Being chilly is different than being told to "move", I have never experienced such attitude getting into Schengen, at most it's a mostly quiet stern encounter.

It's very hard to express in text the feeling of oppression, it's not about just armed security, it's the attitude of those, it's the attitude of the people representing the State, it feels much more adversarial in the USA than anywhere I've been in Europe.

Also, it's not about being asked to present a passport but presenting a legitimate passport and being met with "you don't look Swedish".

Perhaps you are just too accustomed to the feeling of the USA, as an outsider it does feel different, and way more oppressive.

Re:Flock Offers Employees Buyouts as Customers Flee by Phemist on Saturday September 19, 2026 @03:07PM (#49769294)
Where are you from? It's weird to me that you on the one hand defend the US, but on the other DID notice all these armed guards everywhere you went in Europe. If you don't feel it's different, then I don't think you should have noticed it so much? Or if you do notice it everywhere, why would you equate the US and Europe without raising a critical stance against these kinds of policies on either side of the atlantic?
Re:Flock Offers Employees Buyouts as Customers Flee by piva00 on Saturday September 19, 2026 @05:34PM (#49770306)
I think you can get a sense of what kind of person they are by this kind of comments [0][1].

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49697884

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49441324

Re:Flock Offers Employees Buyouts as Customers Flee by hyperlinerapp on Saturday September 19, 2026 @11:45PM (#49772356)
A person that likes normal non woke stuff and does not like feces on the street?

Seems normal to me.

Re:Flock Offers Employees Buyouts as Customers Flee by piva00 on Sunday September 20, 2026 @03:04AM (#49773226)
> Why the fuck are we so soft on these gutter trash in this country.

If you think it's normal to call people "gutter trash" I guess you're too far gone in some bullshit and should do some soul-searching to come back to your humanity.

Re:Flock Offers Employees Buyouts as Customers Flee by Phemist on Sunday September 20, 2026 @03:27AM (#49773367)
Anything that touches on US geopolitical/immigration policy is bound to bring out the russian troll army.
Re:Flock Offers Employees Buyouts as Customers Flee by hyperlinerapp on Sunday September 20, 2026 @03:44PM (#49779317)
True. Communists are the worst, but especially from tech.
Re:Flock Offers Employees Buyouts as Customers Flee by Phemist on Sunday September 20, 2026 @04:33PM (#49779804)
Granted, this one is pretty funny.
Re:Flock Offers Employees Buyouts as Customers Flee by hyperlinerapp on Saturday September 19, 2026 @01:03PM (#49768242)
If we had had those guys on 9/11 maybe they would have put a bullet on each terrorist forehead and we would all be happy these days around September.

But really it’s only like that at borders. Just watch the videos of all the foreigners loving on the USA and tearing up when they had to go back to their countries after the World Cup.

Re:Flock Offers Employees Buyouts as Customers Flee by lores on Saturday September 19, 2026 @01:18PM (#49768365)
Nah. The first thing I saw when I walked out of Anchorage airport is a truck with a bumper sticker saying "my truck is worth more than your life."

Every bad thing in the US is a caricature of what caricatures were 50 years ago.

Re:Flock Offers Employees Buyouts as Customers Flee by hyperlinerapp on Saturday September 19, 2026 @01:21PM (#49768395)
What’s wrong with that bumper sticker?

From my PoV, it seems odd someone would value someone else’s truck more than their own life!

Re:Flock Offers Employees Buyouts as Customers Flee by Phemist on Saturday September 19, 2026 @02:52PM (#49769198)
Nothing wrong indeed with the sticker that says "I value my life more than your truck". Unfortunately that is not the sticker the OP was talking about.
Re:Flock Offers Employees Buyouts as Customers Flee by hyperlinerapp on Saturday September 19, 2026 @11:42PM (#49772342)
My point is that the sticker that OP was talking about is perfectly fine, because who in their right mind would think the opposite?
Re:Flock Offers Employees Buyouts as Customers Flee by piva00 on Sunday September 20, 2026 @03:00AM (#49773196)
It's really hard to tell if you're playing dumb just to provoke a reaction or if you genuinely do not get the point.

Can you clarify?

Re:Flock Offers Employees Buyouts as Customers Flee by hyperlinerapp on Sunday September 20, 2026 @03:53PM (#49779407)
Lores said that: bumper sticker saying "my truck is worth more than your life."

My point is that that is a very sensible bumper sticker, because it only applies if someone thinks they want to steal the truck, clearly valuing their life less than the truck, proving the sticker’s point.

It’s a common sticker. People who are shot in a robbery (or their kin if they don’t survive) commonly claim “why would the victim who defended themselves value their stuff more than the thief’s life” without failing to consider the thief themselves valued their own life less than the stuff they were attempting to steal.

It’s a common sentiment in free places, those who values abiding citizens more than law breaking citizens.

Re:Flock Offers Employees Buyouts as Customers Flee by piva00 on Monday September 21, 2026 @03:03AM (#49783946)
> It’s a common sentiment in free places, those who values abiding citizens more than law breaking citizens.

Most free places value human life higher than stuff.

Re:Flock Offers Employees Buyouts as Customers Flee by hyperlinerapp on Monday September 21, 2026 @08:59AM (#49786743)
If someone can steal your stuff without you being able to act, then that is not a free place.
Re:Flock Offers Employees Buyouts as Customers Flee by SauciestGNU on Monday September 21, 2026 @10:16AM (#49787603)
Even in the United States it is generally not legal in most jurisdictions to use deadly force to prevent property crimes.
Re:Flock Offers Employees Buyouts as Customers Flee by hyperlinerapp on Monday September 21, 2026 @12:10PM (#49789171)
Most thieves are dumb. They come armed. All you have to look for is a minor threat, and you can show them some business.

Like this:

https://x.com/libs_ofchicago/status/2099992150532337702?s=46

Re:Flock Offers Employees Buyouts as Customers Flee by piva00 on Thursday September 24, 2026 @02:58AM (#49827168)
By that definition, what are the free places in the world then? Because a very, very minority of them allow stuff to possess higher value than a human life.

You should look into positive freedom vs negative freedom for a starter.

Re:Flock Offers Employees Buyouts as Customers Flee by hyperlinerapp on Friday September 25, 2026 @02:18PM (#49848098)
In America, that would be everyone’s own house plus every dark place where a phone may look like a gun plus every place where a thief comes armed, plus every place where the thief exercises violence and you fear for your life, to start.
Re:Flock Offers Employees Buyouts as Customers Flee by darksim905 on Saturday September 19, 2026 @11:20PM (#49772257)
It must be nerve wracking to live in your shoes day to day. This is, probably due to flying through an airport like JFK. I'm also not sure what you mean by heavily armed agents. Most MPs at airports just have pistols on them.