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Re:Advice for US entrepreneurs who move to Europe by davidw on Wednesday December 26, 2012 @05:04AM (#4968761)
A ... well, I'm not going to get specific, as he's probably not too hard to locate via facebook or something, but a person I know through my wife was ranting about how all entrepreneurs are dishonest thieves at dinner the other day. Granted, this was an after-a-few-bottles-of-wine chat at the table, not a serious, reasoned opinion from someone who I do respect, but still, it's not an uncommon opinion here in Italy.
Re:Advice for US entrepreneurs who move to Europe by danmaz74 on Wednesday December 26, 2012 @06:26AM (#4968894)
Unfortunately, this is often true here in Italy: The main reason, imho, is that rules are often so difficult to follow that selection is working against the more honest entrepreneurs...
Re:Advice for US entrepreneurs who move to Europe by davidw on Wednesday December 26, 2012 @04:03PM (#4970888)
Exactly. One of the first people many Italians think of when they hear 'entrepreneur' is Berlusconi, whose 'big idea' wasn't something new or clever or otherwise particularly innovative, but a sneaky way around the state television monopoly. I think it's an example that shows both sides of the coin: the oppressive state, and the "entrepreneur" being not an innovator, but someone good at bending the rules. So yeah, that's probably where that comes from, but it's a vicious circle, because people look down on those who are doing something new and creative as well.
Re:Advice for US entrepreneurs who move to Europe by danmaz74 on Wednesday December 26, 2012 @07:05PM (#4971626)
It definitely is a vicious circle. There are for sure many other effects at work, but I'm pretty sure that this is one of the most important ones - and one which is incredibly difficult to break, because moralists and "furbi" (sly ones) both work to keep things as they are :(
Re:Advice for US entrepreneurs who move to Europe by neumann_alfred on Wednesday December 26, 2012 @05:37AM (#4968796)
Yeah well, and here we're looking at an article claiming "it's illegal to work hard in the EU", which wasn't even wrote by a random drunk and is just as bad.

Also: http://www.garann.com/dev/2012/what-the-fuck-is-an-entrepren...

Re:Advice for US entrepreneurs who move to Europe by carlob on Wednesday December 26, 2012 @01:43PM (#4970313)
Well it's so easy to evade taxes when you are self employed as opposed to an employee or a civil servant, that this is often true.

Every time that you get your espresso and you don't get a receipt (which is more often than not), the owner of the café pays no taxes.

Re:Advice for US entrepreneurs who move to Europe by stdbrouw on Wednesday December 26, 2012 @05:41AM (#4968805)
It wouldn't be too hard to find someone holding the same views in the US, I should think.