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Re:Saab Enters Collaborative Combat Aircraft Race with High-... by BurningFrog on Tuesday September 01, 2026 @11:10AM (#49523044)
We have found a way to not kill each other!

Rich free market democracies don't fight wars against each other.

Re:Saab Enters Collaborative Combat Aircraft Race with High-... by Tuna-Fish on Tuesday September 01, 2026 @11:22AM (#49523195)
We unfortunately have not found a way to turn our kleptokratic dictatorship neighbor into one.

The greatest failure of the past 20 years was the belief that if we open up trade and grow rich together, rational self-interest will lead to liberalization and peace. Instead, it just gave our enemies more resources to spend on self-destructive imperialist ambitions.

Re:Saab Enters Collaborative Combat Aircraft Race with High-... by lenerdenator on Tuesday September 01, 2026 @01:35PM (#49525154)
Same story as always: the goal sounded nice, but no one wanted to do the actual work.
Re:Saab Enters Collaborative Combat Aircraft Race with High-... by Tuna-Fish on Wednesday September 02, 2026 @03:35AM (#49533009)
Plenty of people wanted to do the work. Lot of European politicians were desperate to do the work.

But it turns out that when a fascist has nukes, there's not much you can do to convince them to not be fascist.

Re:Saab Enters Collaborative Combat Aircraft Race with High-... by c0balt on Tuesday September 01, 2026 @11:16AM (#49523111)
This might have to be put into the context that they do in fact move the conflict over resources to economic wars. They also actively engage in wars over ressources when they think they can win outside of MAD, see U. S. vs Iran.

Economic warfare also does in fact kill people. Denying a population, e. g., Cuba, the ability to access medicine/food kills humans just as well as a bullet in the long term.

There are various other ways this causes suffering. Different forms of warfare are still warfare, even if you don't to hold a gun for all of them.

Being "rich" also requires someone else to be "poor".

Re:Saab Enters Collaborative Combat Aircraft Race with High-... by fifilura on Tuesday September 01, 2026 @11:25AM (#49523236)
Perfect is the enemy of good.

Market democracy is not perfect but it solves 90% of the problems we'd have otherwise.

Re:Saab Enters Collaborative Combat Aircraft Race with High-... by cucumber3732842 on Tuesday September 01, 2026 @01:01PM (#49524721)
>Economic warfare also does in fact kill people. Denying a population, e. g., Cuba, the ability to access medicine/food kills humans just as well as a bullet in the long term.

Deny them jobs, investment that could create jobs and paths to prosperity.

Give them drugs.

Shocked Pikachu when they don't like you.

Edit: Revised language to be more broadly applicable.

Re:Saab Enters Collaborative Combat Aircraft Race with High-... by enaaem on Tuesday September 01, 2026 @11:35AM (#49523389)
Only with rational actors. But do not underestimate the stupidity of leaders who thought it would be easy.
Re:Saab Enters Collaborative Combat Aircraft Race with High-... by jayd16 on Tuesday September 01, 2026 @11:25AM (#49523233)
So is the US not democratic enough, not rich enough or not free market enough?
Re:Saab Enters Collaborative Combat Aircraft Race with High-... by fifilura on Tuesday September 01, 2026 @11:50AM (#49523664)
In case of war privilieges, your president can act as a dictator. At least the first 90 days, unless he finds a way to reset those days.
Re:Saab Enters Collaborative Combat Aircraft Race with High-... by enaaem on Tuesday September 01, 2026 @11:42AM (#49523500)
Also a very Christian nation that follows the teachings of Jesus.
Re:Saab Enters Collaborative Combat Aircraft Race with High-... by BurningFrog on Tuesday September 01, 2026 @12:33PM (#49524313)
I can't think of any rich free market democracies the US has fought wars against.
Re:Saab Enters Collaborative Combat Aircraft Race with High-... by jayd16 on Tuesday September 01, 2026 @12:36PM (#49524335)
The trick is to destabilize their democracies first.
Re:Saab Enters Collaborative Combat Aircraft Race with High-... by cucumber3732842 on Tuesday September 01, 2026 @01:02PM (#49524740)
They do it to themselves after people forget what made them rich in the first place.
Re:Saab Enters Collaborative Combat Aircraft Race with High-... by fifilura on Tuesday September 01, 2026 @01:29PM (#49525084)
Which country?
Re:Saab Enters Collaborative Combat Aircraft Race with High-... by dghlsakjg on Tuesday September 01, 2026 @01:23PM (#49525003)
Well, as long as they’re poor free market democracies, it’s a mulligan, right? Bonus points if you use special ops or intelligence agencies to kick it off so it doesn’t count as a war.
Re:Saab Enters Collaborative Combat Aircraft Race with High-... by bryanlarsen on Tuesday September 01, 2026 @11:17AM (#49523129)
The "Golden Arches Theory of Conflict Prevention" has been broken 4 times:

- NATO v Yugoslavia 1999 - India v Pakistan 1999 - Russia v Georgia 2008 - Russia v Ukraine 2014, 2022

Re:Saab Enters Collaborative Combat Aircraft Race with High-... by fifilura on Tuesday September 01, 2026 @11:49AM (#49523646)
What is the denominator? I.e. how many times did it prevent war?
Re:Saab Enters Collaborative Combat Aircraft Race with High-... by bluGill on Tuesday September 01, 2026 @12:21PM (#49524149)
There is no way no know. Any number is an acceptable answer. For a good answer you can find lots of reasoning/logic/history to justify your guess, but it is still a guess.
Re:Saab Enters Collaborative Combat Aircraft Race with High-... by fifilura on Tuesday September 01, 2026 @12:26PM (#49524228)
Without it the parent post is irrelevant.
Re:Saab Enters Collaborative Combat Aircraft Race with High-... by benxh on Tuesday September 01, 2026 @11:48AM (#49523638)
NATO v Yugoslavia 1999 is not like the others
Re:Saab Enters Collaborative Combat Aircraft Race with High-... by owebmaster on Tuesday September 01, 2026 @01:18PM (#49524945)
Now we just need to figure out how to stop rich free market democracies from invading and bombing poorer countries