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Re:Lion-man – the oldest confirmed statue ever discovered by fishfasell on Monday August 31, 2026 @08:52PM (#49516640)
Been reading "Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind", this piece is mentioned as the earliest proof of the Cognitive Revolution that we know of. It displays how humans were able to envisions things that do not exist, crafting fiction from reality. How early man was able to share stories and how religions probably came to be.
Re:Lion-man – the oldest confirmed statue ever discovered by solidasparagus on Monday August 31, 2026 @10:22PM (#49517241)
Sapiens is super loose about interpreting facts carefully, particularly the prehistory part.
Re:Lion-man – the oldest confirmed statue ever discovered by Cockbrand on Tuesday September 01, 2026 @08:20AM (#49520975)
I'm currently reading that book, and I find this sentiment interesting (not knowing any better myself) - is there a critique/fact-check somewhere?
Re:Lion-man – the oldest confirmed statue ever discovered by solidasparagus on Sunday September 06, 2026 @05:01PM (#49590903)
There are some blog posts by experts in the various fields that I read. An AI can find them if you ask (I don't remember specifics). TLDR; the facts aren't necessarily wrong (with some exceptions IIRC), but the author presents things with extreme confidence when the scientific consensus is much less certain. And then builds a confident narrative on top of it.
Re:Lion-man – the oldest confirmed statue ever discovered by fishfasell on Tuesday September 01, 2026 @09:23AM (#49521682)
Agreed. The whole premise of language being created to gossip has zero scientific merit.
Re:Lion-man – the oldest confirmed statue ever discovered by argee on Monday August 31, 2026 @09:05PM (#49516730)
Isn't that begging the question? For one, people can wear a lion headdress, making it something that does exist in real life. Secondly, it seems to be carved from a single tusk, which might have forced some choices when it comes to anatomy, rather than being "as conceived".
Re:Lion-man – the oldest confirmed statue ever discovered by card_zero on Monday August 31, 2026 @11:09PM (#49517551)
Heh. "What does it signify, this lion with a man's body?" - "ran out of space".
Re:Lion-man – the oldest confirmed statue ever discovered by Loughla on Monday August 31, 2026 @10:05PM (#49517138)
But that's also just ignoring the fact that humans seem inherently drawn to the fantastic, whether in religion or something else. There isn't really any reason to believe that wouldn't have existed 40k years ago, correct?
Re:Lion-man – the oldest confirmed statue ever discovered by saghm on Monday August 31, 2026 @11:07PM (#49517544)
That's what they mean by begging the question; you don't really get much useful information from trying to cite something as evidence of what you've already assumed.
Re:Lion-man – the oldest confirmed statue ever discovered by the_gipsy on Tuesday September 01, 2026 @06:35AM (#49520146)
This is the earliest evidence of such fantasy we have. It's not that this piece at this time was the earliest human fantasy, but there is a cutoff line somewhere between humans and our last common ancestor chimpanzees.
Re:Lion-man – the oldest confirmed statue ever discovered by recursivecaveat on Tuesday September 01, 2026 @01:11AM (#49518203)
Wouldn't you be wearing a lion headdress for some kind of symbolic reason though? Like it's not a very practical piece of clothing. I would guess you either want to draw some kind of parallel between yourself and lions, or maybe remind people that you're strong enough to have killed a lion. I don't think there are any animals that take hunting trophies like that.