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Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by srean on Thursday August 27, 2026 @04:26AM (#49461593)
We do the opposite. The political class and the contractor class regularly flout safety norms and build where they shouldn't. They make the money from the safety of being out of range.

When the political class are questioned they utter inanities like people should be grateful that God Ganga maia waters have come to bless their lands and homes.

It is a racket. This will continue till we start electing people who respect the scientific methods and their conclusions.

Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by repelsteeltje on Thursday August 27, 2026 @04:43AM (#49461718)
Okay, but isn't it likely that the outcome of those scientific investigations will be that the Himalayan foothills should not be inhabited at all, except maybe a couple of places? What I mean is: Sure, politicians and contractors could do better, but I believe the primary reason for villages and bridges in those valleys is that people want them there. Standard of living is exceptionally low and this is just one of many hazards.
Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by srean on Thursday August 27, 2026 @04:56AM (#49461798)
> Okay, but isn't it likely that the outcome of those scientific investigations will be that the Himalayan foothills should not be inhabited at all, except maybe a couple of places

Yes and that is broadly the safe option. One can build on geological stable high grounds. They are rather and more difficult to build on. We know what happens when we don't.

> Sure, politicians and contractors could do better

It's not mistake of the "oops a typo" variety.

They are knowingly making a freakton of money by endangering the people who ought to know better. I agree sometimes the poor might not have viable alternatives that they can fund with their own bank balance but it seems this is where the governments should step in to fund alternatives. But why do that when there is easy money to be made.

Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by repelsteeltje on Thursday August 27, 2026 @05:20AM (#49461944)
While I usually prefer to attribute incompetence rather than malice, it's hard to deny corruption is a likely factor here too. But the "freakton of money" aspect IMO needs nuance. I wager that the wealth of those cronies doesn't come close to my western living standards, so who am I to judge?
Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by srean on Thursday August 27, 2026 @05:39AM (#49462106)
I am not knowledgeable about Nepal so I wouldn't know what role corruption played in this particular case.

Nepal is literally between rock and a hard place. But in my country, India, there is plenty of this kind of corruption going on.

EDIT:

> I wager that the wealth of those cronies doesn't come close to my western living standards, so who am I to judge?

They are in no way implicated in this particular case but corruption in India can pay very handsomely

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinod_Adani#Career

Lookup his brother too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautam_Adani#Career (read the second half closely)

Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by newsclues on Thursday August 27, 2026 @05:42AM (#49462127)
Why humans settle in valleys? Is a question you should ask
Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by srean on Thursday August 27, 2026 @05:53AM (#49462228)
Not all valleys are equally dangerous.

The question is why people build new on known dangerous places. The new is an important word. They do because the future is not priced in (make insurance mandatory?) and because of acts of corruption that actively promote/incentivize development in hazardous areas by rewriting zoning, repricing permits, rewriting saner policies.

Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by newsclues on Thursday August 27, 2026 @08:57AM (#49464153)
Have you ever been in a river valley in a mountainous region?

Hard to build on the mountain, and the valley has transportation, easier to build, fertile land, food and water.

It’s very obvious why humans settle where they do (despite the risks).

Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by srean on Thursday August 27, 2026 @09:25AM (#49464581)
> Have you ever been in a river valley in a mountainous region?

Brought up there.

Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by pmontra on Thursday August 27, 2026 @09:37AM (#49464730)
And all the good places have been taken centuries ago.
Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by cucumber3732842 on Thursday August 27, 2026 @11:48AM (#49466754)
And most of this "well obviously nobody should build anywhere where there will be serious destruction every couple generations" type sentiment ultimately just to funnels wealth and power to whoever took that good land previously.
Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by pmontra on Monday August 31, 2026 @07:35AM (#49508450)
If there is serious distruction every couple of generations it happens either to you or to your children. So, do you really want to build our buy there? If it happened to your parents there is no you.

Every five or ten generations, different risk.

Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by pmontra on Thursday August 27, 2026 @09:36AM (#49464719)
Some people's job is building new houses to sell them. Your question is why they are allowed to build in some areas. Usually there is no point working unless it's for money so take your guess.

BTW, I can't build anything in half of my garden unless I also build huge concrete structures to anchor the terrain, which maybe would make matters worse. My house has been there for about 100 years, the other houses too, maybe it's stable enough but often they allow what's already there and deny anything new. Anyway, it's fine, I don't want to build something there.

Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by srean on Thursday August 27, 2026 @09:54AM (#49464963)
> Your question is why they are allowed to build in some areas

No that is not my question at all. In fact I don't have a question, I have a position.

My position is that population density in many of these super dangerous areas is because of corruption laced government policies and practices. The government follows these policies in concert with builders because they can knowingly profit from endangering people (i) in dire straits, (ii) people who are not informed about magnitude of the risks.

In addition to that their corrupt practices distort the market prices so that people end up suckered. If these corrupt practices were to stop or reduce and better more people friendly policies were followed then these place will not become uninhabited but plausible less populated. If you look at my other comments on this story you will get more details of my position.

Some people are in such dire straits that they may still agree to stay in a hazard equivalent to living on Chernobyl lands. Some who are more fortunate would take other options should the government be doing their job.

Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by snjsjsjsiiiw on Thursday August 27, 2026 @05:25AM (#49461980)
“the people”, those instinct-driven will-less victims of the “Epstein class”, right?

Why do they have to be “moved”? They are perfectly capable of moving themselves as I can attest to seeing them flooding into my country by the thousands. “The people” make their own choices.

Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by cucumber3732842 on Thursday August 27, 2026 @11:34AM (#49466527)
>. The political class and the contractor class.

But these people who want to make a buck building garbage somewhere it won't last are largely counterbalanced by the equal and opposite people who seek to financially benefit at society's expense by harnessing the screeching of the useful idiots to get sprinkler systems mandated in garden sheds and mail order carports require engineered plans.

They're basically two sides of the same "slimy people who'll lie for a buck" coin.

Re:Worst-case glacial lake flood scenarios in a transboundar... by srean on Thursday August 27, 2026 @02:34PM (#49469239)
Maybe true in the first world. In 3rd world countries some times the information about the hazards is not properly appreciated.

For example, there were recent floods, is a location were previous governments had not developed. Now the current government rather than taking accountability are claiming that affected houses should be grateful that they have been touched by the river god.

Difficult to believe, but some people fall for the propaganda.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chandigarh/kiratpur...

https://citizenmatters.in/shimla-illegal-construction-urbani...

https://youtu.be/IcfbZgaUneQ

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/shimla/muck-in-rive...

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/himachal-pradesh/supr...