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Re:The Real Silicon Valley by michaelochurch on Tuesday December 18, 2012 @09:35PM (#4940867)
I really wish there was a way to: (a) have the autonomy and interesting work of a startup tech founder (while a full-time technologist, not a manager) but (b) without the extreme income variance. If your job requires you to take personal loans, there's something wrong. I also think there are a lot of people who have the talent but not the ability to afford the risk.

The extreme income variance is a bug, not a feature, in my opinion. I'd be willing to sell all upside past $100 million (which would have median value of zero, but reasonable expectancy given the autonomy I'd have) in exchange for downside insurance, because I can't possibly imagine why I'd even want $10 billion.

Re:The Real Silicon Valley by patio11 on Tuesday December 18, 2012 @11:23PM (#4941128)
I really wish there was a way to: (a) have the autonomy and interesting work of a startup tech founder (while a full-time technologist, not a manager) but (b) without the extreme income variance.

Bootstrap a product business, optionally with a side of consulting. It is pretty much exactly what you want.

The downside insurance doesn't work like "sell all upside", though -- it just means that it takes you N years to reach the relative position with regards to $1 billion that Mr. Swing For The Fences is on day 1, but when that day arrives, you'll have five or six figures of recurring income in your back pocket.

Re:The Real Silicon Valley by dxbydt on Tuesday December 18, 2012 @10:13PM (#4940959)
you are looking for a rose without the thorns:) you'd be better off with a lily ( ie. straight job at big-co/small-co, no income variance )
Re:The Real Silicon Valley by SatvikBeri on Tuesday December 18, 2012 @10:42PM (#4941022)
There's plenty of in-between. The key concept is career capital.

Career capital is basically how much a company values you. You can more or less trade career capital for things like money, promotions, freedom, etc.

Different companies will let you trade career capital for different things. Small startups generally grant more autonomy and less cash. Investment banks will let you get plenty of cash, but all the career capital in the world won't buy you autonomy.

The mistake most people make is that they don't consciously invest their career capital. They take raises and promotions when they should really be negotiating for more freedom and interesting projects.

If you want to love your work, figure out

1. How to become extremely valuable and earn lots of career capital,

2. What you want to spend it on. There is usually a constraint in your life-feeling that you don't have enough freedom, enough cash, etc. Spend your career capital on your biggest constraints.

Re:The Real Silicon Valley by michaelochurch on Wednesday December 19, 2012 @07:41AM (#4942300)
This is excellent advice. The question is: what should people do to acquire career capital fast? Work hard at their assigned stuff, or invest in self-directed labor?

I think there's something to be said for the zigzag strategy. Take finance jobs to improve comp, and more typical tech jobs to improve autonomy and technical knowledge. No tech company will match a $250,000 hedge fund salary, but most will compensate "out of kind" with a higher title and more authority. Then you do something awesome at your tech job and become qualified for a better finance job.

The other advantage of zigzagging is that you can overstate how politically successful you are, because you're moving into a context where people don't know how to evaluate your signals. If you claim you were at level X in finance when you were actually X - 2, other finance people will be able to tell based on what you actually did and how much you know about the industry. If you zigzag a bit, you have more control over your story. But I think there must be limits to the efficacy of zigzagging, because lateral movement without progress becomes damaging after a while.

Re:The Real Silicon Valley by SatvikBeri on Wednesday December 19, 2012 @09:33AM (#4942696)
What should people do to acquire career capital fast? Work hard at their assigned stuff, or invest in self-directed labor?

Cal Newport wrote a book on this[1]. The short answer is "acquire rare and valuable skills."

If you have a track record of applying NLP to massive data sets today, that makes you extremely valuable. Combine two or more valuable, but not necessarily complementary, skills and it makes you a unicorn.

You'll almost never acquire rare & valuable skills by doing your assigned work. That's because entry level employees do commodity work. You might acquire valuable skills that way, but not rare ones.

My preferred method: survey the land. Try to figure out what skills are one notch above where you are today. Come up with a side project that's beneficial to your employer and would teach you those skills. Depending on the level of autonomy you have, you might be able to get that project approved as part of your official work. A few iterations of this should put you in a position to get a promotion or a better job.

The danger in doing something purely on the side, and not as part of the company, is that you don't have concrete results you can show at your next job. You might have mastered Hadoop/NLP/Machine Learning on your own, but all things being equal I'd hire the guy who used NLP to earn his company millions of dollars.

By the way, one of the easiest ways to get a rare and valuable skill is to aim to be 80th percentile at two things, as opposed to 95th percentile at one thing. My current aspiration is a strong understanding of user interaction/psychology + a strong understanding of Machine Learning. The combination of the two will put me in a very unique position when designing analytic software, even if I'm not the best at either individual skill.

[1]: http://www.amazon.com/Good-They-Cant-Ignore-ebook/dp/B0076DD...

Re:The Real Silicon Valley by michaelochurch on Wednesday December 19, 2012 @10:22AM (#4942944)
Good answer, for sure. The one thing that is dangerous is that it's hard to know, when you're going off and learning "esoteric" skills, if those will be winning horses or dead ends. A lot of people would rather max out on enterprise Java (which has a well-studied, if commoditized, market) than take a risk on a specialty that might be "hot" today but dead tomorrow.

The AI winter is one of the worst things to have happened to software, and the decline of funding and even respectability of basic research has set technology itself back 25 years, and there's a scary lesson in it, which is that interesting, cutting-edge work can suddenly enter a funding drought.

Re:The Real Silicon Valley by michaelochurch on Tuesday December 18, 2012 @10:27PM (#4940992)
I don't think it's an unreasonable possibility, actually. What I'm describing is an R&D like environment. There's no reason autonomy has to come with the extreme and mostly random income volatility of the VC-istan ecosystem.

It's not that I want zero income variance. How many people would want to live in that world? I don't. It's that I'd be willing to give up the upside over $50 million in exchange to never have to worry about being unable to support a family.

There has to be a way to structure that kind of insurance plan without requiring a compromise of autonomy.

Re:The Real Silicon Valley by hazov on Tuesday December 18, 2012 @10:52PM (#4941054)
Academia is like that if you choose your field of research well.
Re:The Real Silicon Valley by michaelochurch on Wednesday December 19, 2012 @06:48AM (#4942167)
Academia is not like that. You don't have much immediate job risk, because jobs have defined lengths of time (2-year postdocs, 6-year tenure race, indefinite tenure) but the career risk is intolerable. Academia has a terrible job market; it has sold out a generation and a half and I don't see it being able to unwind that.

Academia has almost no financial upside but a lot of downside.

Re:The Real Silicon Valley by rgbrgb on Wednesday December 19, 2012 @09:04AM (#4942589)
I've had a lot of CS professors that consult in industry for huge payouts (particularly in more applied fields like biometrics and graphics) and I know there are applied math people doing the same. It looks incredibly hard to get a tenured academic job, but I think once you're there in an applied field, your title can be very lucrative.
Re:The Real Silicon Valley by trhtrsh on Wednesday December 19, 2012 @07:23PM (#4945636)
That's the same as saying post-IPO/acquisition founders are well-positioned for future life. It's not an answer the question of "is it worth taking the risk of putting in a decade of effort?"
Re:The Real Silicon Valley by majani on Wednesday December 19, 2012 @08:56AM (#4942547)
The closest you can get to that is a consulting business.