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Re:Anthropic's 'Watermark' Text Adulteration in Claude Is a ... by reliablereason on Sunday August 16, 2026 @06:48PM (#49324555)
(1) LLMs collapse and start outputting garbage after a number of tokens if you do not sample and just pick the "best token" each time. This is a consequence of how they are trained.
Re:Anthropic's 'Watermark' Text Adulteration in Claude Is a ... by case540 on Sunday August 16, 2026 @08:09PM (#49325131)
Citation needed
Re:Anthropic's 'Watermark' Text Adulteration in Claude Is a ... by inigyou on Sunday August 16, 2026 @08:34PM (#49325297)
You know you can just try it and see on any inference system thst has this knob, right?

Related: if you don't have a limit on sampling (top-K or top-P), eventually you'll hit one of the really unlikely tokens by chance and then the model will switch to Japanese because the most likely completion after a random Japanese character in the middle of an English sentence is more Japanese writing, not a reversal back to English.

Re:Anthropic's 'Watermark' Text Adulteration in Claude Is a ... by cadamsdotcom on Monday August 17, 2026 @08:57AM (#49330093)
That could be how it works, but in practice it takes into account all previous tokens when producing the next-token distribution to sample from. So a switch back is more likely than your explanation supposes.
Re:Anthropic's 'Watermark' Text Adulteration in Claude Is a ... by inigyou on Monday August 17, 2026 @11:57AM (#49333104)
No, if you switched to Japanese the LLM wouldn't ignore it, it would "assume" there's a reason for that. The same if the previous iteration of the LLM switched to Japanese. Else you're expecting an LLM to ignore its own previous outputs and restart "thinking" from scratch with every token?
Re:Anthropic's 'Watermark' Text Adulteration in Claude Is a ... by cadamsdotcom on Monday August 17, 2026 @03:43PM (#49336538)
It's situational and I suspect there are situations where it would and others where it wouldn't. Would depend on the almost infinite variables of how training was done. You'd be right that it'd be likely to switch but while it's possible it's due to temperature, there are just so many things going on. But it would be one sensible explanation among many.
Re:Anthropic's 'Watermark' Text Adulteration in Claude Is a ... by dragonwriter on Monday August 17, 2026 @03:55AM (#49327669)
> LLMs collapse and start outputting garbage after a number of tokens if you do not sample and just pick the "best token" each time.

LLMs are likely to get stuck even with sampling if asked to generate tokens on their own long enough, though sampling does tend to stretch out the time before that happens (as do other techniques that don't involve sampling, like applying repetition penalties directly to token logits). But LLMs generally aren't left to infinitely extend their own output, and the length response typically needed in the use case is much shorter than the would result in collapse given the kinds of inputs expected in that use case, the existence of the theoretical eventuality may not really matter.