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Re:Qwen3.8-27B by KronisLV on Friday August 14, 2026 @11:32AM (#49300155)
> ...but no. They do not beat opus on real-world usage.

I agree, but then we just need meaningful benchmarks that clearly show that! Otherwise it's hand waving about something that should be put on paper in quantifiable terms.

Re:Qwen3.8-27B by pimeys on Friday August 14, 2026 @12:01PM (#49300608)
If you are working in a company and using language models, it is a very good idea to hold a bunch of evals you can trust and use to validate new models. Calibrate every once in a while with prod data. We have our own and the only numbers on quality and cost I trust come from this setup.
Re:Qwen3.8-27B by niek_pas on Friday August 14, 2026 @11:37AM (#49300222)
A wise man once said, "not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts".
Re:Qwen3.8-27B by valvar on Friday August 14, 2026 @04:47PM (#49304389)
That’s well and good, but how are we supposed to evaluate the accuracy of random HN comments without anything resembling somewhat objective metrics? People say all manner of things, and usually it’s contradictory. What heuristic do you propose?
Re:Qwen3.8-27B by bewareofscams on Friday August 14, 2026 @11:38AM (#49300233)
Only useful benchmarks are those you (in particular) don't have access to.
Re:Qwen3.8-27B by rhdunn on Friday August 14, 2026 @12:52PM (#49301347)
The only useful benchmarks are those you've created for your specific workflow. Only then can you assess whether a given model is better or worse for what you are using it for.

There are tools like promptfoo designed for this.

Re:Qwen3.8-27B by xienze on Friday August 14, 2026 @11:41AM (#49300296)
> but then we just need meaningful benchmarks that clearly show that!

That's the rub. AI benchmarks are IMO, by and large totally unreliable. We think of them as similar to traditional benchmarks of deterministic processes where the number of variables is low. But they're anything but that. Non-deterministic processes with an astounding number of variables and fuzzy acceptance criteria.

It leads to results like these, where if you take it at face value, the only conclusion you can draw is "wow Anthropic must be stupid if Opus takes 1T parameters to do what Qwen can do in 27B."

Re:Qwen3.8-27B by mlmonkey on Friday August 14, 2026 @12:19PM (#49300861)
In the end, the only benchmark that matters is your own.