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Re:Antiqua–Fraktur Dispute by hamper653 on Thursday August 13, 2026 @06:20AM (#49283863)
In what way is Times New Roman more "stately"?
Re:Antiqua–Fraktur Dispute by throw0101d on Thursday August 13, 2026 @07:50AM (#49284599)
> In what way is Times New Roman more "stately"?

See perhaps this article on the various style guides of various US federal courts:

* https://daringfireball.net/2026/05/the_fonts_of_the_us_feder...

Or various other articles:

* "On Fonts: Why Lawyers Should Switch To Century Schoolbook": https://www.ncbarblog.com/on-fonts-why-lawyers-should-switch...

* "Typography for Lawyers": https://typographyforlawyers.com

Re:Antiqua–Fraktur Dispute by maratc on Thursday August 13, 2026 @06:39AM (#49284010)
It's hard to explain, but serif typefaces have centuries of history behind them, with practically all the books (in Europe and America) using some variant of serif since basically the invention of movable type. You can add most of newspapers to this list (notably "Times" part comes from a font being cast for the British newspaper The Times in 1930s.) The Roman Empire is a source of these (just look at the inscription on the Pantheon[0]), so that's for the "Roman" part. Using serif fonts signifies "tradition". Using sans-serif signifies "modernity". Being "stately" is more about the former than the latter.

Interestingly, the building that houses the State Dept[1] has its style defined as "Modern Movement" and "Stripped classical", which is interesting, because it's somewhere in the middle between modern and classical, while not being quite any of them. To me, it looks mostly bland; I'd much rather have an office in Congress building, or Supreme Court building, or the White House, all of which are strictly classical.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheon,_Rome

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_S_Truman_Building

Re:Antiqua–Fraktur Dispute by hamper653 on Thursday August 13, 2026 @08:46AM (#49285129)
> Being "stately" is more about the former than the latter.

I can’t help but strongly disagree with that. To me, "stately" would mean something more pragmatic and efficient.

Re:Antiqua–Fraktur Dispute by maratc on Thursday August 13, 2026 @12:18PM (#49288233)
Not going to argue about personal interpretations, and everyone's entitled to have one — including people who have interpretations that we personally disagree with.

Having said that:

    *stately*
    
    adjective
    
    a stately procession. dignified, majestic, ceremonious, courtly, imposing, impressive, solemn, awe-inspiring, regal, imperial, elegant, grand, glorious, splendid, magnificent, resplendent, important, august, formal; slow-moving, measured, deliberate.
Re:Antiqua–Fraktur Dispute by hamper653 on Thursday August 13, 2026 @02:18PM (#49289948)
Yep, all qualities I wouldn’t associate with "traditional".
Re:Antiqua–Fraktur Dispute by maratc on Thursday August 13, 2026 @02:23PM (#49290016)
But would associate with "pragmatic" and "efficient"?
Re:Antiqua–Fraktur Dispute by hamper653 on Friday August 14, 2026 @01:13AM (#49294964)
No, indeed.
Re:Antiqua–Fraktur Dispute by JsonDemWitOster on Thursday August 13, 2026 @06:38AM (#49284003)
Serif fonts in general are more formal (or "stately"). That's because of the, well, serifs. Sans-serifs visually resemble/evoke handwriting because in handwriting we don't make serifs. Try writing with serifs for everyday stuff and it will quickly reveal to be visually and logistically annoying.

The only question is which brand of formal do you want to evoke. TNR feels very straightforward and no-nonsense to me. So I wouldn't really object to associating it with bureaucratic memos and documents. For something more leisurely I'd go with either Garamond or Georgia. Georgia is my favorite but it's a bit too fancy for long texts. It's better suited for quotes.

As an aside, I hate that Introduction to Algorithms [CORMEN] uses a TNR-like font. It makes it look like a Physics textbook. They could've stayed with default Computer Modern and strengthened my Pavlovian conditioning to it. Whenever I read something in Computer Modern, my heart palpitates a little in the way it did when I sat through my Data Structures exams.

Re:Antiqua–Fraktur Dispute by maratc on Thursday August 13, 2026 @06:54AM (#49284114)
Georgia is nice, but rather recent. Garamond, Baskerville, Bodoni, Caslon, Century Schoolbook are all centuries old. If we're talking about the US State department, it would probably be fitting to look at the fonts that were used for US printing and communication (and are still used.)
Re:Antiqua–Fraktur Dispute by rbanffy on Thursday August 13, 2026 @10:11AM (#49286260)
This administration should be restricted to Comic Sans.
Re:Antiqua–Fraktur Dispute by euroderf on Thursday August 13, 2026 @02:44PM (#49290260)
But... but... it is staffed by Dingbats.