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Re:On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails by inigyou on Thursday August 06, 2026 @11:52AM (#49198352)
If the EU government told a group of academics "hey, go make a phone" it wouldn't have mass surveillance. If it insisted on being closely involved in the process, then it would.
Re:On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails by mosura on Thursday August 06, 2026 @03:17PM (#49201056)
Do you think you would be allowed to sell such a phone to normal people in any serious quantity? (I know HN people get delusional about using laptops as mobile phones, but here is a hint: you wouldn’t. You would be hauled up for enabling distribution of CSAM etc until you stopped).

Look at how they treat Graphene, and that is an afternarket mod niche.

Re:On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails by inigyou on Thursday August 06, 2026 @04:37PM (#49202178)
Yes, I do think you'd be allowed to sell a phone to normal people in serious quantity. The kerfuffle with Graphene was about whether or not they specifically targeted organised criminals, Anom-style. No charges were made - some idiot politician just assumed Graphene==Encrochat and made a public statement based on that.
Re:On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails by mosura on Friday August 07, 2026 @06:05AM (#49208163)
You are factually wrong here almost completely.

Wrt Graohene the problem isn’t the politicians making announcements, the police assume you are a criminal if you have Graohene and are profiling you on this basis.

Re:On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails by inigyou on Saturday August 08, 2026 @05:34AM (#49220189)
Okay? That doesn't mean it's illegal to sell the phones.