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Re:DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Pric... by Bnjoroge on Friday July 31, 2026 @09:14AM (#49122723)
Using tokens to evaluate models is an outdated approach. Cost per task is what matters. Not all tokens are created equal
Re:DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Pric... by drob518 on Friday July 31, 2026 @10:10AM (#49123370)
Yes, but… more thinking tokens also means longer solution generation time. That said, v4 Flash is a fast model. I use it all the time because it’s very smart for the price. But it is verbose sometimes.
Re:DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Pric... by kzrdude on Friday July 31, 2026 @10:20AM (#49123500)
The thinking trace was (preview) frustrating to read, I think I'd prefer a summary view of it at this point.
Re:DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Pric... by WhitneyLand on Friday July 31, 2026 @12:30PM (#49125289)
It’s not outdated at all to use tokens to estimate performance, it’s directly related.
Re:DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Pric... by prism56 on Friday July 31, 2026 @04:35PM (#49128244)
But why should I care? If my metrics are speed and cost? How many tokens it takes as a user is arbitrary to some extent.
Re:DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Pric... by WhitneyLand on Friday July 31, 2026 @05:54PM (#49128973)
If speed is a metric for you, tokens required to solve a problem affects that metric.

All else being equal passing triple the amount of tokens through a model to solve the same problem makes it slower.

Doesn’t mean this model is bad, and it has to be considered how cheap it is, but it’s a factor.

Re:DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Pric... by rat9988 on Friday July 31, 2026 @09:57PM (#49130396)
Still, seems useless to measure tokens when you can measure speed.