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Re:Wind turbine is being used to produce zero-carbon "green ... by pinkyboy on Saturday July 25, 2026 @12:47PM (#49049160)
Even if carbon was a complete non-issue, electrification and a greater diversity of energy sources would still have immense value.
Re:Wind turbine is being used to produce zero-carbon "green ... by trollbridge on Saturday July 25, 2026 @01:28PM (#49049616)
Electrification is a no-go when electricity prices keep going up up up.
Re:Wind turbine is being used to produce zero-carbon "green ... by epistasis on Saturday July 25, 2026 @01:48PM (#49049834)
No it's not. That's not the equation. The only thing that matters is the final cost, including capex.

Utilities are pooling the wool over the eyes of PUCs and the media is not doing what it needs to show how the utilities are screwing customers because the media is illiterate...

But what China and other places (eg Spain) for this sort of ammonia is to place generation and batteries right at the ammonia site, bypassing the grid for most of their energy, dramatically lowering costs.

The grid costs more than electricity generation, and utilities get guaranteed profit on grid costs, so they try to make the grid as expensive as possible, even as renewables and storage are lowering the cost of generation.

Re:Wind turbine is being used to produce zero-carbon "green ... by NuclearPM on Saturday July 25, 2026 @03:54PM (#49050942)
Pooling?
Re:Wind turbine is being used to produce zero-carbon "green ... by dmoy on Saturday July 25, 2026 @04:19PM (#49051139)
pulling
Re:Wind turbine is being used to produce zero-carbon "green ... by epistasis on Saturday July 25, 2026 @05:23PM (#49051732)
Ugh, too late to edit some serious typos/autocorrect errors:

pooling --> pulling

illiterate --> innumerate.

Re:Wind turbine is being used to produce zero-carbon "green ... by jandrese on Saturday July 25, 2026 @01:30PM (#49049640)
The price of grid electricity is moot when you're powering the process with locally generated green energy.
Re:Wind turbine is being used to produce zero-carbon "green ... by spacephysics on Saturday July 25, 2026 @01:32PM (#49049664)
Tell that to struggling family’s electric bills
Re:Wind turbine is being used to produce zero-carbon "green ... by epistasis on Saturday July 25, 2026 @02:00PM (#49049961)
Happily, and in fact it's the only responsible thing to do for somebody that says they care about struggling families!

Struggling families: off-grid electricity generation for clean fertilizers do not affect your electricity rates. Anybody who tries to get you angry about that is misdirecting your attention from the factors that do affect your electricity prices. If you want lower electricity prices, focus on reigning in your PUC to represent you rather than utility profits.

Re:Wind turbine is being used to produce zero-carbon "green ... by AnthonyMouse on Saturday July 25, 2026 @03:57PM (#49050971)
Or cut out the middle man and get your own solar. Who are the people in California paying $0.35/kWh to the power company when rooftop solar is less than a third of that?
Re:Wind turbine is being used to produce zero-carbon "green ... by inigyou on Saturday July 25, 2026 @04:32PM (#49051274)
Right? You can go off grid anywhere. Well in some places you legally can't, and need to remain connected with a connection fee, but nobody is forcing you to draw any power from it.
Re:Wind turbine is being used to produce zero-carbon "green ... by trollbridge on Saturday July 25, 2026 @04:45PM (#49051388)
Struggling families can’t buy their own off grid power generation.

I take this one rather personally as a friend of mine has had his power shut off now for the last month. I set him up with a gasoline generator which seems like the opposite of green. Electric should be very cheap and abundant.

Re:Wind turbine is being used to produce zero-carbon "green ... by AnthonyMouse on Sunday July 26, 2026 @05:33AM (#49056283)
> Struggling families can’t buy their own off grid power generation.

The premise is that the installment payments on the solar system are less than the monthly bill from paying the power company for the same amount of electricity. It can't be the thing they can't afford when it's the thing that costs less.

Re:Wind turbine is being used to produce zero-carbon "green ... by inigyou on Saturday July 25, 2026 @04:32PM (#49051264)
what does this have to do with fertilizer production again?