Re:Startup founders urge Trump not to shut off Chinese open ...
by TurdF3rguson on Thursday July 23, 2026 @11:38PM
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There is a finite number of tokens that a rig will turn out over it's lifetime. Divide the cost of the rig plus electricity by that number and you have your cost per token. Yes providers can screw up on scheduling and end up paying more than they should, but that's not magic.
Re:Startup founders urge Trump not to shut off Chinese open ...
by cobbzilla on Friday July 24, 2026 @10:25AM
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The AI rigs cost money, sure. But no one is talking about regulating those. We are talking about regulating models, which do have zero cost of reproduction.
It’s like banning the leaked DeCSS key. Good luck.
Re:Startup founders urge Trump not to shut off Chinese open ...
by TurdF3rguson on Friday July 24, 2026 @05:58PM
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Well, no. We're mostly talking about banning access to models running on someone else's infra.
I don't think many people in this thread have the resources to run a frontier model in their living room.
Re:Startup founders urge Trump not to shut off Chinese open ...
by cobbzilla on Saturday July 25, 2026 @01:02AM
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How do you do that without banning the model itself.
It doesn't matter who can or can't run it.
They are trying to ban something that can be represented entirely by a sequence of bytes. An illegal number, like the DeCSS key.
The fact that money is involved does not change the free speech aspects. This isn't CSAM or torture porn. It's data.
Re:Startup founders urge Trump not to shut off Chinese open ...
by TurdF3rguson on Saturday July 25, 2026 @04:37AM
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It's not the model weights people are panicking over losing access to though. It's the compute.
Re:Startup founders urge Trump not to shut off Chinese open ...
by cobbzilla on Saturday July 25, 2026 @05:35AM
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If you mean being forced to overpay for no-longer-SOTA closed models, that’s I guess the protectionist motive here: impossible to enforce, enforcement uneven and political, illegality rampant, I suppose all by design too. I’d say it’s brilliant if it weren’t so evil. I have hope saner minds will prevail.
But that’s kind of a different question, the running of some service. The “product”, the model, is a collection of files. The “manufacturing” required to add another customer is “send them the files” and has ~zero marginal cost.