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Re:Fairphone 6 wide camera experimental Linux support by warrantisall on Thursday July 23, 2026 @04:18AM (#49018386)
Not everyone needs this level of security, mostly against rogue governments. I'd be happy with a GSI grade OS providing me with privacy tools to defend myself against the surveillance capitalists.
Re:Fairphone 6 wide camera experimental Linux support by preisschild on Thursday July 23, 2026 @04:55AM (#49018668)
You can't have good privacy without good security
Re:Fairphone 6 wide camera experimental Linux support by warrantisall on Thursday July 23, 2026 @05:02AM (#49018722)
I saw this narrative before — right on the GOS discussion board, by coincidence :)

It actually depends on what are you about to protect yourself against. You don't need exceptional security preventing LE from unlocking your device if your adversary are commercial entities craving for your data to sell.

GrapheneOS believes it's nothing or everything, while the privacy is not binary.

Re:Fairphone 6 wide camera experimental Linux support by stymaar on Thursday July 23, 2026 @06:45AM (#49019481)
This!

If it's all-or-nothing then it's always going to be nothing with a phone, because the position and activity of your device are perfectly transparent to the phone carrier you're using, by mere design of being a mobile phone. They know when you're awake, when you sleep, where you are at all time, when you use a VPN and when you don't, etc, etc.

You can never hide everything, so the question is where you set the bar. GrapheneOS and /e/ have a different bar, making different trade-offs for different user base, and that's absolutely fine.

Re:Fairphone 6 wide camera experimental Linux support by microtonal on Friday July 24, 2026 @02:23AM (#49031834)
Fully agree. In the end everybody has to make their own threat assessment and make their choices based on that. I think research is particularly important to unravel what data leakage there are in various phones and apps, so that people can make informed choices. I think this kind of information presented presented in a neutral way is sorely missing.
Re:Fairphone 6 wide camera experimental Linux support by microtonal on Friday July 24, 2026 @02:20AM (#49031816)
It turns out that companies also 'attack' your phones to get your data. E.g. at some point Facebook/Yandex apps opened localhost sockets for tracking pixel code to connect to:

https://localmess.github.io/

Re:Fairphone 6 wide camera experimental Linux support by grapheneos on Sunday July 26, 2026 @01:11PM (#49060126)
GrapheneOS largely prevented it for Vanadium before this came to light and fully fixed it long before Chromium did. Android 17 prevents cross-profile loopback connections, which is one of many important privacy improvements in it. Android 17 fixed a massive number of privacy weaknesses including vulnerabilities which will not have patches backported. Only a subset of High and Critical severity patches are backported to older Android releases. Only a subset of that subset are shipped by /e/ despite claiming to provide the latest patch level.
Re:Fairphone 6 wide camera experimental Linux support by grapheneos on Sunday July 26, 2026 @12:52PM (#49059933)
We definitely don't see privacy and security as binary.

Privacy depends on fixing widely abused privacy weaknesses by patching privacy vulnerabilities and shipping major privacy improvements. /e/ is missing many standard Android privacy patches and protections. Privacy also depends on security to avoid it being bypassed. It's also missing many of the standard Android security patches and protections. GrapheneOS preserves the baseline and makes major privacy and security improvements along with being far better at patching vulnerabilities rather than far worse.

/e/ and Fairphone don't do the bare minimum to protect user privacy and security by keeping up with updates. Both are missing crucial standard patches and protections needed against many real world adversaries including widespread privacy abuse by apps.

Re:Fairphone 6 wide camera experimental Linux support by grapheneos on Sunday July 26, 2026 @12:53PM (#49059941)
Privacy depends on fixing widely abused privacy weaknesses by patching privacy vulnerabilities and shipping major privacy improvements. /e/ is missing many standard Android privacy patches and protections. Privacy also depends on security to avoid it being bypassed. It's also missing many of the standard Android security patches and protections. GrapheneOS preserves the baseline and makes major privacy and security improvements along with being far better at patching vulnerabilities rather than far worse.

/e/ and Fairphone don't do the bare minimum to protect user privacy and security by keeping up with updates. Both are missing crucial standard patches and protections needed against many real world adversaries including widespread privacy abuse by apps.